Monday, January 30, 2012

Guys, you're in the lexicon


Don't know who they think Radcliffe is really with, but it's not a gay thing. There are too many mainstream celebrity and historical examples of now-established gay men with beards to reach for a couple of figure skaters.

The "Scott and Jessica" message has trailblazed by inflating simple misdirection into a massive public hoax simply to disguise a legitimate heterosexual relationship.

As Scott and Tessa won an Olympic gold medal, it's easy to assume they'd be remembered as ice dancers. But figure skating isn't mainstream, especially not in Canada. There were fans at Canadians who weren't sure who they were.

Perhaps among the general public his legacy is going to be "Scott Moir and Jessica Dube" =  shorthand for fake relationship to hide real straight romantic relationship. "Are they on the level or is it a Dube/Moir deal?"

It would be ironic but sort of fitting if Scott ended up more associated with Jessica's name than Tessa's. I'm sure everybody would love that.
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*If Skate Canada hadn't made a botch of their public relations and marketing of these two, as well as an overblown nightmare of the sham itself, there would be less chance of his and Tessa's skating accomplishments sliding into niche obscurity while "Scott Moir/Jessica Dube" was common usage.

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  1. Hadn't heard any of this stuff with Radcliffe, but a brief news search certainly gives the impression of OTT....Emma Watson would be the obvious parallel I guess.
    Incredible if the hoax becomes a known example outside of figure skating/TS fans.

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  2. Damn. How does this person know about Scott & Jessica? We need more information!

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  3. Incredible if in years to come "Scott Moir" was a name representing "hetero bearding" and not "Olympic gold medalist ice dancer" to the public at large. You know that happens to a lot of names - their name gets attached to something, and the original reason they were famous becomes obscured.

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  4. Really, this is hilarious.

    What did these guys expect? During the Olympic FD they very publicly position Jessica next to the Moir family, very soon after that both Scott and Jessica changed their facebook relationship status to being in relationship with each other, along with inviting the public in to view all their private couple-photos, not to mention Scott saying he had a gf whenever the subject came up in the audio/magazine interviews following the Olympics. They took this beyond the serious skating fan (their niche fans) to the general public that was riding an Olympic-high.

    Didn't they want Scott's name associated with Jessica and not with Tessa? Once it really becomes public knowledge that it's all fake, that it's just toying with the public, of course they'll be a laughing-stock reference to OTT shamming.

    What will be most interesting to watch is whether they up the ante (more photos, referencing each other, etc etc) or finally concede they lost. I'm betting that they intensify the sham. They've already proven to be tone-deaf when it comes to PR.

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  5. Well, if they're like most people who've screwed up - and in this general area they've screwed up a whole lot more than most people - it's all about saving face. Doesn't matter who is caught being stupid, if you don't acknowledge it, there's no accountability and face is saved. That's the rule for a whole bunch of idiots who are still a hell of a lot smarter than this crowd. They'll hang tough til Sochi. So much fun for the younger relatives though. Keep your chins up kids.

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  6. They also power tripped with fans over it. That's where they stumbled. I don't want to stick it on Alma cause a lot of her language shamwise sounds like Barb and facebooks are just host sights - they don't have to actually be updated by the perso who puts their name on it. But - the entire Olympic year was one big power trip - let's see how many chains we can jerk with the fans. Whose idea was it? The Moirs? Tessa's? Or Skate Canadas? The last real chain jerk was Scott asking for suggestions for his profile photo. They're such entitled tools.

    I'm probably rationalizing but as big advocates of community and team spirit, I could see the Moirs et al abdicating their responsibility for the concept and the execution, deferring to SC. They love figure skating, not all this junk, and it's Skate Canada that loves messing with fans. The end game though is that it's Scott's name is on it, Tessa's name, and the Moirs. They ought to have been responsible. Considering the reaction most people have to this, I wonder if half of figure skating Ontario doesn't live in some bizarro world bubble. Where did this contempt come from? The people most concerned refused to be responsible for this and it just doesn't work like that.

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  7. I disagree about the last real chain-jerk.

    I think it was the twinkling--"Aren't We Cute Together" video at TEB pretending just the two of them are spending a special, extra day in Paris, visiting the traditional tourist sites we all know they've seen many times before...and oh yeah, there's photo-evidence Scott was already at the Eiffel Tower with a bunch of skaters that very same weekend. But they decide to treat the fans as stupid (we didn't really see the photo of Scott at the Eiffel Tower/we really think they're going to play first-time tourists), and set the fans up to expect some Tessa-Scott Paris pictures.

    If it weren't for this blog calling them out on it, they would have already released what most of us knew to expect - photos of Scott and Jessica in Paris. Specifically, at the Louvre. It was the same set-up they did before Monaco and I'm sure they thought they were going to get away with the same chain-jerk results ("Look at our pictures from Paris! Featuring Scott and Jessica!! Hahahahaha!!!") They might still post the photos/video from Paris we're expecting, but thanks to this blog, it will have lost its effectiveness for sham-messaging.

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  8. I stand corrected - it was the "Aren't we cute together" video from TEB. They're allergic to honesty. A previous comment on another thread said all they needed to do was say they spent an extra day in Paris and had fun with a camera crew. Exactly. Instead they pretended it was just them on their own, except for when Scott switched pronouns from "we" to "I" for one attraction and later a photo including Jessica and Scott popped up on Duhamel's fb. That kind of thing is just nasty. It's like laughing in people's faces. It's garbage and it's immature.

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  9. wow! I just read your entire blog and I have to admit I agree with everything here, but it's a bit scary, how seriously you take this whole thing!

    I just want to ask you something! Do you really believe tessa was expecting last year? I mean, it all makes sense, the photos show a huge difference and stuff, but if it's true and they are hiding even a child it's craaaazy!!

    Anyway, I never believed these two were not in love, especially the way scott looks at her is unmistakeably ''YOUARETHELOVEOFMYLIFE'' -Y :p

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  10. Do you mean seriously as in yeah, I'm serious, they're together and Jessica is a sham? Yeah, I'm serious. They're together and Jessica is a lie.

    Yes, I do believe Tessa was expecting last year and they're parents now, and I also believe they and many others figured there was a good chance they couldn't hide it - but when they could, they did. And yeah, it's crazy. Its own blog-worthy crazy. This kind of nuts is not that common.

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  11. No, I do believe Jessica is a sham and they are together, I even believed it before I found this blog, but now I'm 100% sure. And it's fine, you know? I mean, I actually think Tessa is the one who is so crazy about hiding it and Scott hates it, that's why he's always the one to say things he shouldn't and look at her in a totally inappropriate way all the time. I believe he's crazy in love and doesn't really want to hide it (he's always been the outgoing one), but Tessa's a control freak and makes him to it, to an extent.

    But man, if they went so far as to have a kid, and they are STILL hiding it, that's crazy weird! I mean, you can't hide a kid! It's gonna grow up, sometime in the future they'll say they got together, and then what? ''Oh yeah we also have a 7-year-old child, forgot to mention that when it happened, we were totally platonic back then, sorry!''.

    But I saw the videos and yes, Tessa does look pregnant, and you can even notice how careful and protective Scott is of her. But the timeline is not right!

    I mean, this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxHLBPPobJo
    is from October 2012, and she can't have been more than 5 months there! Their next appearance is in February (right?), in the 4ccs, and she's slim there! I saw the video with the withdrawal and yep, it does look staged, so do you think they did not have time to prepare because she had just given birth to a child?!? I mean woah. It does seem like she was pregnant in late 2010, because the weight she gained was in the belly and her face became sweeter, and she's an athlete so she couldn't have allowed herself to indulge in food just like that, but it semms SO crazy to me that they are still hiding even after a kid, you know? Could you help me with a timeline there?

    I get why they would hide a relationship, even stage a fake one with Jessica, (there are several crazy fans on fanforum, yt, lj, and ff.net that I've seen), and given how reserved Tessa wants to be, it makes sense. But having a child and hiding it takes it to a whole other level.

    I don't know what to believe. It's a bit too much, and from the interviews and everything I've seen it looks like Scott doensn't want this whole thing. If I was him, I would be angry at her.

    Oh, and that interview with their definition of romance, they were totally talking about each other, I hope they ''come out'' soon. And if they do, they can say they fell in love now and not like, 5 years ago (when do you believe they got together, btw?). But if they have a CHILD, how are they going to conceal that?

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  12. I meant Tessa is making him *do it, and October 2010, sorry! :P

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  13. That Tessa is the one who is insisting on the sham I can't say for certain. From other things I know, however, that is my guess too. It's ironic, because a lot of people are - how can Tessa stand to see Scott in photos with Jessica like that? Well, I do know Scott doesn't want to be there.

    As far as the timeline, you have to look at Tessa's build when she's not pregnant, things like the size of her rear end and left to right (not just front to back), that Skate Canada messes with timelines (look at the book signing at Mississauga), how square Tessa's shoulders are. She's normally built like a whippet in the waist front to back, while having, as Elaine Stritch said on 30 Rock "a good baby bucket" (rear end). And I'd also push back the time you imagine she was pregnant. I think she was quite a bit over 5 months in October. Look at the t-shirt she suddently decided to wear beneath her midriff top for Jack and Diane at Stampede. Look at the overshirt she wore at the gold medal celebration. Look at Scott and Tessa on NBC immediately after the Olympics saying if they retire it won't be because of shins.

    As long as a woman's midsection and hip line are well beneath her shoulder frame, a lot of visual sleight of hand can happen. And Tessa has quite the shoulder frame.

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  14. As to when they got together? When they met. I don't mean in the adult sense, they had to wait to grow up a bit, obviously.

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  15. I never said she wasn't pregnant, I was just saying the timelines confused me a lot!

    Ok, let's say she was 6 months in October, so maybe she gave birth in early January, and then after a month they went to 4cc. Ok, that makes sense, she could have lost a lot of weight by then and it's not like she gained a lot.

    But where is that baby now? They can't hide it forever, and with what they are doing, they can't even take it to the kindergarden or sth! That is what seems crazy to me. You can hide a relationship, say it happened later than it actually did. But if they come out, and have other kids (as I'm sure they will), what are they going to do with this one? Present it as a newborn at 2 years? That's what seems so crazy to me, I don't really understand how two people under the public eye can hide a child!
    And yet I do believe Tessa was pregnant back then. CRAZY, IT'S ALL CRAZY!

    PS. Yep, I think Tessa's the one who wants to continue with the sham. Scott seems really uncorfortable with the whole thing, and can never seem to control himself around her. I mean, just the way he looks at her says it all!
    But isn't it time they ended the Jessica sham? Sometime they will need to come out, and there needs to be quite a bit of time between them ''coming out'', and Scott breaking up from a long term relatiosnhip.

    Btw, what do you think he's saying to her here?:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfpoYGZHqBI&list=FL2etgiyV_ZBNaP4r_lBuZvg&index=25&feature=plpp_video

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  16. By the way, do you know all these for certain (have a source, someone told you, etc.), or have you come up with these conlusions from oberving?

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  17. They can take the baby anywhere. Enroll the child in kindergarten and pre-K, socialize, take the child to Arctic Edge, the whole ball of wax. They just don't release a statement to the media and they don't run around as a couple toting a child at competitions. Is it time they ended the Jessica sham? OMG!It's so so bad. As hard as I try to spin it FOR them sometimes, everything about it is so ridiculous. Every time I put the situation up to someone who doesn't know them the look is like - they are out of their minds. These are people who know all about having a third party manage "your" facebook, managing a public persona, the private versus public sectors.

    They've made a botch of it pure and simple and there's no curing it because they don't know how to think. Look at the Skate Canada personnel. Nobody knows how to think there.

    The photos! The mise en scenes they stage at competitions. They just - the overboard is unreal.

    Of course now - look at the hole they've dug. If you were them, would you go oh by the way, we were lying all last year - we were actually married and in fact, Tessa was pregnant when we were whinging on about how platonic we were.

    We cool?

    Of course they COULD do that and basically a lot of fans would be just fine with it and roll right along. I bet they don't see it that way though. Anyone who went to these extremes in the first place has got to have acute self-conscious-itis and a complete inability to cope or so they think. And then there's how sticky things would look with Skate Canada's personnel, especially Debbi with her scary mama grins.

    They wouldn't even have to say "we were lying." Sale & Pelletier never said "We were lying when we talked about parenting and our marriage - actually, we've been separated the last 18 months!" Nope - they just said - we're divorcing after an 18 month separation and we're the best of friends.

    WHEN they come clean, I sincerely doubt they will pretend Scott and Jessica were real, or Scott will pretend he broke up. In fact, continuing the sham while down the line there will be clear evidence they were together was probably a reasonable hedge against fans and other rumor mongers pretending there was cheating or a triangle of some kind. I think having Cara or some other family member always around also serves that purpose.

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    1. "Of course now - look at the hole they've dug. If you were them, would you go oh by the way, we were lying all last year - we were actually married and in fact, Tessa was pregnant when we were whinging on about how platonic we were.

      We cool?

      Of course they COULD do that and basically a lot of fans would be just fine with it and roll right along. I bet they don't see it that way though. Anyone who went to these extremes in the first place has got to have acute self-conscious-itis and a complete inability to cope or so they think. And then there's how sticky things would look with Skate Canada's personnel, especially Debbi with her scary mama grins."

      That's more-or-less my contention as well. I don't think the fall-out for Scott and Tessa would be anywhere nearly as bad as what they believe it would be or what the self-serving idgets at Skate Canada have most likely led them to believe.

      I know I'm repeating myself, but the inside world of figure skating already knows, so it's a non-issue there. There are some people who already dislike them and will just keep on with it. Most of the fans, particularly the ubers who care more about the relationship than the skating, will most likely rationalize (they had to protect their baby! they needed to protect their relationship!, etc.), easily forgive them, and go on as normal. The people who are just here for the skating aren't going to care, or if anything, are going to be temporarily amused by the whole thing before the next thing comes along to be amused about.

      On another note, lately, the thought crossed my mind that if they'd just been honest, or mostly honest, about their status from the beginning (or at least once they were planning to marry in the tangible we've-set-a-date sort of way), they and their relationship would have probably attracted far less public attention than the fake "we're platonic, but wouldn't we be cute together" thing has. Most would have gone, "oh, they're together, I thought so," and then went on with their lives without another thought about it. Then, of course, Skate Canada would have had to have thought of another way to market Scott and Tessa, like based on their skating abilities and accomplishments instead of their personal relationship... Oh, the horror. ;) It's really just sick how the Skate Canada powers-that-be have manufactured a situation to manage just to push themselves forward rather than do things in a sane way.

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    2. I agree.
      I think the public would be really supportive but I don't think they really know it. Remeber, they've grown up in this world, they are used to believing whatever Skate Canada are telling them. And Tessa is so self conscious, it must be freaking her out.

      But why would it be hard to market them based on their skating abilities? Because they DO have skating abilities! What is the hard thing there?

      (I'll also develop some thoughts below)

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    3. ^Thanks. I hope you do.

      When Scott and Tessa did their Finlandia short dance it got thousands of hits in mere hours after it was up on you tube. It's the skating stupid.

      One of the thoughts I've kicked around is it's Skate Canada's current field of officials who are overly preoccupied with the personal and they just project their own intrusive natures onto the fans. Lord knows they've taken "publicity" as license to go into a lot of personal areas.

      Remember way back when Slipchuk claimed it was personal stories that created fan investment and made the difference between skating's popularity in the 1990's and now?

      There's so much wrong with that. Figure skating was popular FIRST in the 1990's and even before (after all, both Peggy Fleming and Dorothy Hamill had prime time figure skating specials devoted to them, so it goes way back). The popularity drove what we now call brand extension - it drove the marketing of figure skaters as personalities.

      They get everything backwards, this crowd.

      Sure the fans like to think that they're "one of the family" and they gossip, but they also take a lot of abuse and ill treatment and keep on supporting. How would even the most intrusive fan be empowered by knowing the truth?

      At this point, and with pretty much anything out of Debbi's or Bill's (or Barb's) mouth on any topic displaying their ignorance and unfounded contempt, it's easy to see they're idiots who're convinced of their own superiority, so they're double idiots. It's a whole lot harder to understand why the skaters and their families bought into what they were peddling, except for wanting the issue off their hands. And if that was it, well, they're idiots too.

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  18. I'm saying this because you seem to be so certain about everything, like you KNOW it for a fact, and that must be it, right?

    And you know so much about Skate Canada and their policies... which are very weird btw!
    Why are they so paranoid about their skaters' relationships?

    soooorry for the spam, once again!
    It's just that I have loved S/T for years and now I found this blog and it's like heaven :P

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  19. Essentially I think the only game plan they ever had was a lot of pompous posturing by that idiot swimsuit contestant, William Thompson, about how all of it was necessary because their priority was the welfare of their figure skaters. We don't know their "situation." Of course this can be torn apart by anybody with two brain cells to rub together but this is a guy who considers haunting fsu to be keeping an eye on the figure skating public.

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  20. So, if that is the case with the child, the wholde skating world knows it and they are just playing along. Mind blown. :P

    You are right, they've made a huge mess, and I have no idea what for!
    Idk, if they came out today I'm sure they wouldn't get a hard time by the fans. They would all be supportive. But no, they are too self conscious to do it, you're right. Jesus. It's crazy, and I believe it :P

    Time will tell. And I'm quite sure it will prove you right :P

    And anyway, I don't think they are doing anything wrong. Or treating fans badly. It's their life, they feel they need to protect it, and they've just found a shitty way that they can't escape from!
    I mean, I still like them. And I feel sooo sorry for them and the trap they've created for themselves. I wish they would just come out for their OWN sake. Because fans, they may speculate for a while, then get over it, then think about it in the next competition. But for T and S, it's their everyday life, it must be really hard.

    I saw that video you made about the Olympics, with Jessica, it was hilarious and soooo telling!

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  21. We're like, posting seconds ahead of each other. :)

    I KNOW for a fact that Scott and Tessa are together and have always been together and that Jessica isn't just a sham, but that a lot of people don't seem to have a high opinion of her, including, apparently, Scott.

    You don't need to "know" a lot about Skate Canada and their policies to rip them apart - just look at them. They have a former figure skater in the role of Director of Business Development who was the team leader at the Olympics and spends most of her time getting her face on Skatebuzz, and when she's not doing that, she's squeezing herself into other people's camera shots. Meantime there's tumbleweeds rolling through the sponsorship roster. That's the job built into her title - get freaking sponsors! Not only do they not have sponsors, they've lost sponsors and where are the big new ones, and how does she have the time to do it when she's always got her face on camera and doing jobs that are time incompatible with Business Development? She has no background in marketing or business development either so why was she given that title? Who IS doing that job. Then look over at the web page of the USFSA association and you see a legitimate operation.

    At SC you a bunch of directors who love to see their names in print, are interested in self-promotion and getting their faces on camera but the organization is a mess and the competitions are run horribly and politics run through the assignments the skaters get. They come across as frustrated stars and they use their positions to get attention and bask in reflected glory.

    And like a lot of people in niche public sectors, they HATE fans. Because in many ways, they're losers themselves - at least compared to who they wish they were.

    Barb MacDonald is an amateur who is extremely opportunistic. She did absolutely nothing to promote the skaters during HPC until her ass was shown up by Champs Camp. Whereupon SHE took it upon herself to have HER tweets imitate the USFSA skater tweets and she quickly slapped together some photos of fun and games to catch up with Champs Camp. Which begs the question - what the hell was she doing, media-wise, in the run-up to HPC? Well, promoting herself, that's what.

    None of this is investigative journalism or requires wearing an invisibility cloak while haunting the corridors of SC headquarters.

    I KNOW so many people read this blog because they're like you. They KNOW something is off and they want to talk about it but they're not allowed to talk about it anywhere else. This is why the comments section is anonymous. What I can offer is what I know - that you're not crazy - they're a couple and lying their faces off. But I just roll my eyes at people who are like - why do you care? Please. This is extremely interesting in how unbelieveably crazy it is, a lot of people feel the exact same way, and there is absolutely nowhere else to discuss it in public but here. I find that odd, myself, but that's how it is.

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  22. Oh - to answer your question as directly as I can - I didn't come up with the Scott Tessa status on my own. I have information.

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  23. ''I KNOW so many people read this blog because they're like you. They KNOW something is off and they want to talk about it but they're not allowed to talk about it anywhere else. This is why the comments section is anonymous. What I can offer is what I know - that you're not crazy - they're a couple and lying their faces off. But I just roll my eyes at people who are like - why do you care? Please. This is extremely interesting in how unbelieveably crazy it is, a lot of people feel the exact same way, and there is absolutely nowhere else to discuss it in public but here. I find that odd, myself, but that's how it is.''


    ^This whole thing, evrything you said. I don;t feel like I can talk about it anywhere else, people would treat me as if I was crazy or something!

    You mean, you KNOW KNOW it? So you KNOW about the baby too? From sources? I mean you are Canadian (I'm nowhere near Canada, I'm from Europe, lol :P), and you know so much, it can't be speculation, you must have started from known facts and then found out the rest.

    I don't like Jessica either, she seems like a person who doesn't even want to try hard for her sport, she is just content with the publicity she gets from Scott. Damn, she was actually one of the main reasons it all seemed off to me, I could never get my head around the ''fact'' that Scott could have had Tessa and chose Jessica instead.

    Oh god, I knew nothing about Skate Canada until I read your blog, they are such a sad lot and they are undermining their skaters, how are they supposed to get money now? :/

    I will admit it, I'm not a skating expert, I am very young and have followed Scott and Tessa's careers for 3-4 years, and that's about it. I know little about organizations/other skaters/how things work etc., so I'm really ignorant. Skating is a very small thing in my country, tbh.

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  24. //Oh - to answer your question as directly as I can - I didn't come up with the Scott Tessa status on my own. I have information.//


    Oh, ok! I'm not going to press you any futher, I get that you cannot say, I just wanted to hear that you do have info :)

    Thank you! (And again, sorry for bothering you so much!)

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  25. I'm the same anon from the above conversation, btw :P

    So, to sum it up:

    They are married, they have a child.
    They are not saying it to the public and I get it. Poeple have already noticed their chemistry, serving them the fact that they are together on a plate would mean having to share details they clearly don't want to.
    Do you ever think they are doing this because they ACTUALLY want to be on the media for their sport and not for their relationship? That they want to compete for some more years and then reveal the truth when they are no longer on the spotlight so nobody can say they are promoted because of their personal lives?

    Sure, we are outside this whole thing and we say that it would be easier for them if they came out. But they are the ones in the relationship, and if I was in their place I'd certainly think my relationship would be safer hidden than out.

    But they have this undeniable chemistry that they cannot hide, so they've come up with a way to adress it (so that it won't be obvious they are hiding their relationship) all the time and put the rumors to rest.

    The ice is the only place they can be publicly free, they have the excuse that they are playing characters, and honestly, if anyone told them to tone it down on the ice, I think they would be miserable. Skating is their thing, they feel ecstatic when they skate together. So in fact, they are not acting on the ice that they are in love, the are acting off the ice that they are not (and they are very bad actors too, since everyone is still convinced they are in love and simply don't know it yet).

    But the skate canada people are so horrible, making them do all this. Because they are clearly playing a large part in this. Maybe they thought the truth would be boring after a while? ''Ok we're married, we have a kid, that's it''. But now, people are wondering, speculating. The S.C. people might want to use the marriage card later, to maintain the interest? It really bugs me that they control the skaters' lives so much.


    Btw, why do you think they withdrew from 4cc last year? Was it because they didn't have time to prepare? Because it was quite clear to me that they were in shape, so maybe they hadn't prepared anything bc of the baby?

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    1. Do you ever think they are doing this because they ACTUALLY want to be on the media for their sport and not for their relationship? That they want to compete for some more years and then reveal the truth when they are no longer on the spotlight so nobody can say they are promoted because of their personal lives?

      Sure, we are outside this whole thing and we say that it would be easier for them if they came out. But they are the ones in the relationship, and if I was in their place I'd certainly think my relationship would be safer hidden than out.

      But they have this undeniable chemistry that they cannot hide, so they've come up with a way to adress it (so that it won't be obvious they are hiding their relationship) all the time and put the rumors to rest.

      The ice is the only place they can be publicly free, they have the excuse that they are playing characters, and honestly, if anyone told them to tone it down on the ice, I think they would be miserable. Skating is their thing, they feel ecstatic when they skate together. So in fact, they are not acting on the ice that they are in love, the are acting off the ice that they are not (and they are very bad actors too, since everyone is still convinced they are in love and simply don't know it yet)."

      I actually think you're dead on with all of this. This is the psychological/emotional part of it.

      I think parading Jessica around is meant to distract people from what they do on the ice and drawing conclusions about it that feel too personal. I can't emphasize how much I agree with all you've said from an emotional/psychological standpoint. They're hiding their reality behind the idea of "acting" and they use Jessica to reinforce it.

      Where it falls apart is because they're very bad at the Jessica stuff. It was overkill. It drew attention to itself in the wrong ways.

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    2. Thank you for that :)

      I'm pretty good at analyzing other people's emotions :P (and I'm not saying this to brag, I'm an anon, who cares?)

      Anyway, still love them, as I said. And I ''forgive'' them for this mess they've made. They are just two young kids who are madly in love and have plenty of stupid people around them to patronize them. They are old enough to handle things now, but when this whole Jessica thing started, they were both too young, especially Tess, and their parents should have been more protective imo.

      I am 19 now, and most of my peers are just that: young kids. Some are mature, really mature, but as a whole, we still need our parents to guide us, we still need to be taken care of. Where were their parents, and how the hell did they think think this was a good idea?

      Oh, and btw, Scott and Tessa have totally proven the Joey Tribianni rule wrong! ;)

      Ooooh and what do you think their bb is? A boy or a girl? I find this whole thing so cute, with the bb I mean, I imagine them as great parents :)

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  26. Oh and btw I just showed my dad the pictures with her belly on your blog and he agrees! :P (He knows nothing about them)

    oh, and he also said Tessa is stunning :)
    And then I showed him the Mahler performance, and he was really impressed!

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  27. My personal opinion - and it's not universal - is that they went to the 4CC's knowing they weren't going to do the free dance, and Skate Canada's officials and some media also knew it. They wanted to go because they WERE going to legitimately compete at Worlds, and the short dance was a new part of competition and they wanted feedback on it and to measure it against the international competition's. They had trained the sd almost throughout her pregnancy so it was no problem. There were no lifts that would strain her pelvic area/lower back. I think Tessa was in amazing shape by 4CCs (as are many female athletes during and after pregnancy) but her body could not have done the full on lifts in the free (flexibility, strain, etc.). Look at Worlds in April - she was a bit wobbly at the end even by April, conditioning wise. I don't believe her body was recovered enough, nor was she conditioned enough, to do a free dance with level 4 lifts and high GOES at 4CCs. So, IOW, it was a gambit. They had no intention of doing the free dance and Igor and Marina knew it too.

    To them there was no down side. It's not an ISU competition, I don't believe - it doesn't go to a team's standings. It was in Taipei - not many of those "dedicated" North American fans around. Meryl and Charlie would be competing and they could measure their short dance against theirs. It wasn't robbing Alexandra Paul and Mitch Islam of a 4CC's spot (they were alternates) because to Scott and Tessa it was critical World's prep, and Paul/Islam weren't going to Worlds.

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  28. Oh, I see. You explained it perfectly, thank you :)

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  29. you guys R crazy! so is it a boy or a girl? ahahaha:)

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  30. "Do you ever think they are doing this because they ACTUALLY want to be on the media for their sport and not for their relationship? "

    As one who has closely followed Tessa-Scott for about 6-7 years, I'd say the only problem with this speculation is that when it came to Scott-Jessica they cared so little about keeping it only about the skating and not about a relationship.

    If the motive was to make sure the focus was their skating, why then did they turn around and rush to give out all sorts of tacky personal details about Scott and his "girlfriend"? Going all the way back to Jessica and Bryce's "Menage a Trois" interview...all kinds of inappropriate. When you consider how it's all a bunch of lies, you realize the extreme lengths they all went to establish this narrative in the public's mind and in fact, to make sure there was a very strong focus on these "relationships" and NOT on the skating. It's all so icky.... the continuous couple-posing at family events, vacation spots, etc. And all of it splashed all over facebook. No one cared that the message was about things like, "Look who I'm sleeping with!! (It's not my skating partner!)" or "Look how I screwed over a best friend!!"
    Tessa did the same thing. There were a couple photos Fedor put on twitter that were clearly with the intent of saying, "Look who I'm sleeping with! (It's not my skating partner!)"

    After this blog pointed out the inconsistencies in these behaviors, they all hurried up to shut down the facebook pages and pretend "privacy" by only limiting things to profile pictures (and not just Scott's and Jessica's btw, friends and family have been happy to loan out their profile spot to help out the sham). They can fool themselves all they want that now they're being tasteful and/or "proving" they're "real." This horse left the barn a long time ago and there's no taking back their revolting behavior nor all the very obvious implications that in fact, Scott was hiding the real and important relationship and the one for public display was fake. I'm puzzled as to what Scott and Jessica think to gain by continuing their charade even through "closed" facebook pages. Reportedly, they're continuing on as ever before, only now they depend on "certain friends" left on their site to tell all the rest of us that they're "real." It's all so mind-blowingly stupid.

    These are not the actions of athletes who piously want the media's focus to be on their sport and not their personal lives. All of it points more to individuals who were deceived about some perceived harm to themselves if they told the truth. The problem is that a lie cannot ever remain just some "little lie." Lies have a way of spiraling ever more out of control and then becoming a cancer. I fear for Tessa and Scott if they don't put an end to this asap.

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  31. ''who were deceived about some perceived harm to themselves if they told the truth'' :/

    Oh, I have never followed the Jessica/Bryce storyline, I only ever cared for Scott and Tessa (on and off the ice :P), but from what I've gathered from this blog, it seems like Bryce and Jessica were togeteher, then broke up, then Jessica got with Scott who was Bryce's friend?
    And I also came to the conclusion that Jessica did something wrong on a dance and injured Bryce? Or sth? I don't know.

    Yes, what you are saying makes sense. Lol, in the few photos I've seen of S/J in this blog, Scott looks soo uncorfortable!

    I do hope they'll end this soon too. It can't go on forever, now is a good time to come clean, especially if they are married and have a freakin CHILD! At World's, maybe?

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  32. ''Oh, I have never followed the Jessica/Bryce storyline, I only ever cared for Scott and Tessa (on and off the ice :P), but from what I've gathered from this blog, it seems like Bryce and Jessica were togeteher, then broke up, then Jessica got with Scott who was Bryce's friend?
    And I also came to the conclusion that Jessica did something wrong on a dance and injured Bryce? Or sth? I don't know. ''

    Oh, btw, I am not suggesting these things actually happened, we've already established Jessica and Scott are a sham :P

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  33. 4CCs is actually an ISU championship -- just to oycanada's comment above. It's the equivalent of Euros and does count towards season's best scores etc.

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  34. ^Thanks. :(

    I think a lot of people resist the idea that Scott and Tessa never intended to compete the long, but there's so much that suggests it was a ploy. There was so much overstatement prior to the competition, with everyone uncharacteristically emphasizing how at this competition, Scott and Tessa would skate TWO programs - especially from Skate Canada. There was a second hand report on icenetwork that the lifts, especially, were dazzling. It was a little much. I've learned a lot about pregnancy and female athletes, including some stuff I wish I'd never read about (some female athletes used to get pregnant on purpose for the blood boost - there's a term for what happens but I'm not looking it up at the moment) - and elite athletes are capable of doing a lot shortly after birth. But one thing I don't believe they're capable of is doing level four lifts at high speed and high GOES - too much on the lower back and pelvis. Tessa supported herself against Scott for the low lift in the 4CC sd and opened up her chest to get the "arch" instead of going deep through her core. FD lifts couldn't be finessed like that. Even by last summer she wasn't back to her full flexibility - she wasn't all the way down into the ice in her exhibition split in the latin exhibition, and she wasn't fully stretched out in the supported back cartwheel. Last time she did it (or that she was doing it in a gala) she was.

    Scott and Tessa, if anything, overcompensate when a mistake happens. At the 4CCs there was a misfire or two on the circular twizzles and they were all - eh. The energy was low and felt inauthentic - lots of face acting and overcompensation from the shoulders up, lots of going through the motions and not really reacting from the shoulders down. And finally, a quad spasm severe enough to call off a performance HURTS like a mofo. Even for a stoic, there's a distraction and a strain. Tessa was sort of all "sorry" and never favored or rubbed the supposed affected area, her stroking stayed even, and she bowed center ice using her supposedly afflicted quad.

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  35. [[I think parading Jessica around is meant to distract people from what they do on the ice and drawing conclusions about it that feel too personal. I can't emphasize how much I agree with all you've said from an emotional/psychological standpoint. They're hiding their reality behind the idea of "acting" and they use Jessica to reinforce it.

    Where it falls apart is because they're very bad at the Jessica stuff. It was overkill. It drew attention to itself in the wrong ways.]]

    It's interesting. The operative word for Jessica is how she's "used." She may have garnered some kind of personal benefits but in general she comes across as a terribly pathetic creature. Just the way we wonder where the hell the Moir-Virtue parents have been in all this, I wonder what the hell is wrong with Mr. and Mrs. Dube for going along with this and sitting back while their daughter makes a fool of herself.

    I was also thinking how Jessica has managed to allow her social-media presence to be all about, "My page is private because I'm the girlfriend of Scott Moir/Aren't I special", instead of about "Jessica Dube the skater". She has no web-page, no official facebook presence, in fact zero PR for herself as a skater. Isn't that important for the day when she's no longer "the girlfriend"?

    In the long run, Skate Canada has done her no favors. Jessica is considered an elite skater in Quebec, and yet any PR about her revolves around her "relationship status" with Scott Moir. Like I said - Pathetic.

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    1. I'm also thinking - wouldn't it have helped MTM to have a trial run for Canadians if they'd gotten the SC assignment in the GPS as Jessica always had done with Bryce and did with Sebastien?

      For the Dubes to step in about this, number one they'd have to have control over Jessica. Two, they'd have to consider it wrong, and not a privilege and how great for Jessica. They were in Paris in 2009 at TEB; I'm guessing they lean towards the latter. Their kid is important.

      A lot of this overkill is naive ideas about fame. Oh, we're (or our kids) are famous, and fans come into it, and this is the stuff people do when they're in our position! It's part of how this world works - "civilians" don't understand.

      Sure the families would buy that one. People have all kinds of half-baked ideas about that stuff. How many times has Scott said in a meaningful tone how "dedicated" the fans are?

      As to Jessica's social media presence - that is counterweighted by SC giving her skating tons of positive promotion. Barb tweeting that Jessica was about to take the ice at Challenge. Jessica getting a big photo and a headline at Challenge, touted as Olympic track in singles. The total re-write of how she and Sebastien came to form a partnership and Rod Black emphasizing how hard they work. She's getting a total whitewash - her partner switch is now dramatic and the reality falsified. Her skating is upsold. And the biggest knock against her - her risk-aversion in terms of difficulty, and her work ethic - has gotten SC push back. They gave her tons of positive publicity as a skater this year.

      And Bryce is certainly incentived to stay away even if his leg should allow him to return - in record time he's head of athlete development at the Hamilton rink. SC seems very invested in emphasizing that D&D ended solely because he was injured and that he retired right away and is now on a wonderful new path. It may all have worked out that way in the end - but that's not how it went down.

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  36. As has been stated, clearly the figure skating community knows about this "situation". What I don't understand is how, or more importantly, why they keep quiet. It seems so insular and weird how a gold medal winning team has a child and no one comments. No photos mysteriously show up? No rogue video of Tessa and child backstage?

    Unless the kid lives in a bubble at Scott and Tessa's parents houses, it would be a integral part of Scott and Tessa's life and no one, anywhere has taken a photo on their iPhone? It just seems completely unrealistic in this era of immediate internet posting on Twitter that nothing has shown up anywhere, even inadvertently. The amount of power SC, the Virtues and Moirs must have to make a baby not exist is unfathomable to me.

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    1. I've kind of wondered about the keeping quiet in general, but I would imagine that this is not the only secret within the figure skating world. I imagine that everyone keeps quiet because they wouldn't want someone else blabbing about what they want kept quiet.

      On one note, honestly, even if they were completely upfront with the public and the entire world knew they were married with a child, it's still highly unlikely that the child would have been at any skating events as of yet. Remember, this child is probably only maybe around a year old right now. Having a child at a high-maintenance stage of life would not be optimal to have right by your side when you're getting ready to go out and skate. Plus, competetions, etc. really aren't a great place for babies and young kids to begin with. Trust me, no one wants to try to watch live skating with a screaming child. It's an unwelcome distraction to the skaters and audience both.

      For the rest of it, Tessa and Scott have both said they pretty much fly under the radar in Michigan.

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  37. So, this happened...

    I am a lurker at fanforum. Today, when I checked the Tessa/Scott thread, there was a person rambling about Scott and Jessica, how they really are in love and how people should stop saying it is a sham because Scott wanted Tessa, but Tessa rejected him because she is ''too high end'' for him (:/) and he turned to Jessica, and they are really in love now.

    If you look at the thread, you can see that people hadn't mentioned anything serious about romance in the last few pages, they were all very ''discreet'' about it, in the sense that they had just posted pictures and videos and commented on how qute and adorable Scott and Tessa are. Nobody had said they ARE together, and certainly nobody had mentioned that Scott and Jessica are a sham.

    So what is going on? Why did a person suddenly start rambling about Scott, Jessica, Tessa and the whole mess they've made when nobody provoked them?

    I think it was a response to what WE are saying here,tbh.
    Thoughts?

    Link, and for the lazy, what she said:

    http://www.fanforum.com/f88/scott-moir%E1%83%A6tessa-virtue-92-~-b-c-now-theyve-won-gpf-fd-we-cant-wait-see-what-new-year-has-store-63035852/index20.html

    ''I think Scott just has to come out once and for all and say that him and Jessica are in LOVE. Put to rest these rumours that he and Tessa are dating and always have been. There is sooooooo muh proof to prove it. People that Still think Tessa and Scott are dating, and that Scott and jessica are a scam, have to get over themselves. Tessa and Scott are just actors. SCOTT is Soo much in Love with Jessica...it is not funny. I for one am so pleased to hear this news. They are meant to be. Scott has already said in an interview that He and Tessa are not campatable. They are just good friends. We should all be happy that Scott is happy with Jess. Tessa has a new guy anyway. IT IS NEVER GONNA HAPPEN WITH SCOTT & TESSA. LET THEM BE. Scott seems and always will seem to be in love with Jess. They are way better suited than Scott and Tessa ever would be. Yeah, they are close friends, but Scott and Jess are way better suited for each other. I am so Happy for them. Tessa seems too HIGH ENDED for Scott. He realized that and that's why he is such the perfect match for Jess. All of those vacation pics together and X-Mas pics are not some big lie, they are real. why can't everyone see that? I've always felt that Scott wanted Tessa, but she turned him down. Scott and Tessa are in 2 totally different worlds mentally. That is why he finds Jess just right for him.(They are adorable together). I wish that Jessica would retire from skating and that Scott would get her preganat and have beautiful skating babies together. Besides, in the past I think Scott tried to get back with Tess and she turned him down...so that's why he moved on to Jess, and they fell in love!!Scott & Jessica together Forever in my books. As it should be. There is no information, not fact to believe that Scott and Jessica are a big scam to try an hide the fact that Scott and Tessa are ttogether. In my humble opinion S/J make the better couple anyway. They always seem to be so happy together. Plus I hope Scott is sticking it to Tessa atually for the turn=down in the past. I'm sure she does regret it... Scott is the better skater anyway, and everyone that follows their skating knows the difference. I actually think that he should have changed partners long go. Tessa is holding Scott back. By the way....he is way too sexy for her!!!''

    *eyeroll*

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  38. Oh and btw the next person below her is a BOSS. She posted two eyeroll emoticons and two gifs, and said nothing :P

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  39. I didn't follow your link but there's someone on fanforum who I won't call troll but says all types of things and for awhile used to link to this blog as proof Scott and JESSICA were together. The quotes sound like her. Yeah, she might read the blog and because this comment thread had activity, decide to say something, but I think she basically likes to try and push buttons and stir it up. T

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  40. Ahaha she's pathetic. She must be the same person because people there seem to dislike her/ignore her or tell her off. She apparently has many accounts and talks like she knows everything about them because she has been a fan for years.

    I don't really know, it's only been a week that I'm visiting that thread on ff.

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  41. If you think about the idea of the skating world keeping quiet, well think about it: they don't. "Keeping quiet" pretty much means they don't say to a fan - oh hey, did you know the Jessica thing is a fake and Scott/Tess are together? How would that come up? Someone in the skating world would have to have quite the incentive and also figure out which fan was the best one to tell the news.

    The media? The media knows. Everybody doesn't, of course, but those who regularly cover SC and figure skating - a lot of them do. Look at the people doing the scrum formation for Barb at HPC. It's entertainment journalism. Someone like Phil Hersch - maybe not - he covers sports-at-large and isn't Canadian. It's a safe bet plenty of people at the nbc network know - There was Jessica planted amidst the Moirs and they never mentioned her. Two Canadian figure skaters competing for the podium at home in Canada in different disciplines while one used to date her partner and the other has a partner everyone wishes she were with - what a story - and Jessica and Bryce have discussed it - and Scott participates in facebook photo spam! But nothin. Hammond, et al. may not know, but you can be sure the production team inquired and were told "nothing there - it's a sham thing".

    Look at Rod Black at Canadians and harken back to Jessica's first words about her split with Bryce. She has rediscovered her spark for skating by skating singles. She wants to focus on that and go back to school. Bryce's injury was the event she needed to realize she needed to make changes. She'd never say never to pairs again - she loves it too much. If something came up. Go to Bryce who says it was a shock. FF to the Dube/Wolfe announcement, how Jessica said it was a surprise, they were just skating together to keep her pairs skills because she didn't want to lose them.

    Rod Black at Canadians: imagine you're a junior skater and you get the phone call - a world medalist - a champion - needs a partner.

    Phone call? They're at the same training center. See? Where did Rod Black get that crap? The story now is Bryce was injured, right away it was obvious it was career ending, and Jessica needed a partner. Oh the (fake) drama.

    What really happened is on record - it was published with quotes - and that doesn't stop fiction like Rod Black's.

    What people are marvelling about is that someone inside the figure skating world doesn't go beyond gossip and ratting them out on a grass roots level (which happens - a lot of fans know, even on message boards), but does it on a macro level WITH proof (they'd have to have proof because we all know the nasty gossip that gets passed around in skating, and Scott and Tessa could be considered targets). Or why doesn't someone go on a message board?

    Well, I knew for a long time before I started this blog. I only started thinking push back was in order when the facebooks started messing with fans - Alma's Monaco trick. Fine - then they kept it up, and went over the top.

    Also knowing what I do, and while I was quiet about it, I was fascinated by how many legitimate posters claimed to have seen Tessa and David Pelletier with their own eyes in Paris in 2009, obviously a duo and not hiding it.

    Don't ask me why the truth is a touchier subject than lies, but it is. Fans can speculate about all kinds of things and spread a LOT of rumors, but unless the skater themselves is out there leading the charge (like Johnny Weir) - they steer clear of true stuff. Maybe because nobody knows everything and they're afraid to fill in the blanks for fear of being shown to have made stuff up. Whereas if the skaters are clearly quiet no matter what is said, stuff can be invented and blanks filled in without worry of being shown as a liar.

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  42. How do you think the fans know? I am a fan, and I was just speculating until I came here and now I am convinced. Even if I didn't want to, the information was too much.

    I still don't get it though, why are Skate Canada people so crazy about manipulating their skaters' lives? By the looks of it, there's nobody they've left untouched, it's like they've taken everybody's truth and twisted it a thousand times. WHY? Why would it hurt them to say the truth, why are they pushing their skaters so much?
    I get one explanation could be their stupidity, but is there no-one to control them?

    ''If you think about the idea of the skating world keeping quiet, well think about it: they don't. "Keeping quiet" pretty much means they don't say to a fan - oh hey, did you know the Jessica thing is a fake and Scott/Tess are together? How would that come up? Someone in the skating world would have to have quite the incentive and also figure out which fan was the best one to tell the news.''

    With this, do you mean that people in the skating world have told fans, so that THEY would spread it, because they don't want to do it themselves? (I have a hard time of understanding many of the things you say, partly because you have tons more knowledge about skating than I do, and partly because english is not my mother tongue, sorry :P )

    I am on livejournal, fanforum, and youtube, and I don't think I have seen anyone say it is a sham and they are together, except from here.

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  43. I mean that a bunch of fans do know. Some by being "around" skating and hearing stuff, knowing people who know the skaters, others because of what they've observed and rumors that ran around at events in 2009-2010.

    Some of them that know are on facebooks (fan facebooks) tumblr, youtube, fsu - and never say anything.

    I don't think people in the skating world tell fans hoping they'll spread it around.

    But people often wonder why someone hasn't busted them - well, how would that work? Expose them to whom? Anonymously? Or with their name or screen name behind it? What would motivate them? Lots of people are just thrilled to know. I knew for a long time and said nothing until the sham got offensive, and that's when I was all "screw this."

    The media cooperates with the skaters - whoever wanted to expose them would need a tabloid that thought the story was worth publishing. Scott has said, truthfully, that whenever they're at the arena they're on stage - the second they put their foot on the property. So - nobody's going to be taking an i-phone shot of the child and publishing it - they're not toting the child around the arena in a way that makes it obvious it's their kid - nobody would. It's not a place for kids. Scott especially can tell if there's a camera in the trunk of someone's car seven blocks away - he always knows. He might not CARE as much as perhaps Tessa does, but he always knows. I think that's something fans have trouble accepting.

    They don't care about "media" - there was media in attendance at the White Knight Gala, for instance. They care about fans.

    Away from the arena and events, Scott and Tessa can carry on a private life. They're not celebrities in Michigan or outside Ilderton or away from the arena in the U.S. or overseas.

    Message boards are the same "X" dozen people posting on many of them. A relatively small group compared to the skating public at large. And even there, many consider themselves part of the "skating community" and think it would be poor form to say anything and I'm sure many of them aren't happy someone outside that world is talking about it.

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  44. I can't answer about why Skate Canada does what they do. As far as I'm able to discern, William Thompso, Debbi Wilkes and Barb MacDonald are good at one thing only - self-promotion. Mike Slipchuk is a little savvier - for about a year he has tried hard to associate himself with skating development and creating support for up-and-coming skaters rather than conspicuously self-promote like Thompson, Wilkes, MacDonald, etc. and talk down to fans.

    William Thompson hired Debbi Wilkes. He's incompetent. They're incompetent about so MUCH. If you scroll back to the 2011 post here called "I don't have data, but experience tells me this woman is probably stupid" you will read about a home-grown idea Debbie and Bill etc. had about making figure skating popular with hockey fans. Let's say that's a valid aim. Their ideas about how to do this are insane. Debbi seemed to believe it's a matter of using the right WORDS. Just SAY it's tough, and hockey fans will be 'oh, it's tough' and start attending and watching. Debbi has this weird faith in her ability to just TELL people how to think. So she's inept. All the "tough" campaign accomplished was to piss off the gay community.

    Mike Slipchuk used to love talking about how if the public got to know the personal stories of the figure skaters, they'd be interested in skating. Which is, of course, totally backwards. That's not why skating used to be popular. It explains though, why Skate Canada thought personal stuff was how to get the public interested. If the skaters didn't want to pimp out their personal life - just make up the personal stuff!!!

    What we end up with is a Skate Canada that wants to tell us stuff and show us nothing. The USFSA doesn't go overboard to tell us the personal stories of their skaters, but we do get to spend a LOT of virtual time with their skaters, getting familiar with their personalities, and with nobody heavy-footed like Debbi telling them what to say or telling us what to think about what they said.

    The sham IS incredibly stupid but as far as someone to control them - who? This team - Wilkes, Slipchuk, Thompson - bragged a LOT about making figure skating more popular. Prior to Vancouver, they were sure they had it figured out. They knew what their predecessors had done wrong, they knew exactly what needed to be done to enhance revenue, appeal to the public and make their skaters popular. They couldn't wait to tell us their genius theories.

    FF and they've lost their major title sponsor - a sponsor that stayed through thick and thin for fifteen years - a sponsor that decided the year after a home Olympics and the creation of gold medal stars was a perfect time to tell SC to get lost. SC lost other long term sponsors, like Artistry cosmetics, Homesense and nabisco.

    Why? Why did those sponsors all leave? Why have new sponsors not stepped up when the USFSA - in a similar economic climate - has no sponsorship problems? Why hasn't SC's Director of Business Development developed any business? Why is she on skatebuzz 24-7 instead?

    They can't run the organization they're running, yet they stay in their jobs. Why?

    They mangle the sham and it goes on. Why?

    There's nobody they need to answer to, that's all I can guess.

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  45. ''Scott especially can tell if there's a camera in the trunk of someone's car seven blocks away - he always knows. He might not CARE as much as perhaps Tessa does, but he always knows. ''

    You mean he is very careful about keeping it private, and very clever so he can spot anyone who could possibly take a photo of them?

    See, I am really IGNORANT compared to you, thank you so much for taking the time to explain all this to me, and I'm sure others will find it helpful.

    And I'm also kinda sure people from their environment visit this blog, I hope it puts some sense into them :P

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  46. "I am on livejournal, fanforum, and youtube, and I don't think I have seen anyone say it is a sham and they are together, except from here."

    It has come up in the past on all those forums but anything along that line of speculation is quickly shut down. Sometimes by the mods themselves, who in some places are very vigilant about anything that deviates from the media-established narratives. Sometimes by other posters, who think that anything that's not "happy" and "the truth according to Scott and Tessa" is off-limits and anyone who questions that position is basically ridiculed off the forum. It is odd, especially when you consider the love of gossip on all those forums, and yet this topic is strictly not allowed.

    This is pretty much the only place left right now where this topic is allowed.

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    1. You are right about that...

      I know I AM afraid of starting a topic like that anywhere else. Look at that girl who started rambling about Scott and Jessica out of (seemingly) nowhere! I'm sure my comments here triggered all this.

      And it's true I'm not always around in these forums, I may have missed a lot of stuff!

      Well, the situation for Scott and Tessa seems as happy as it can get, to me! I mean, they ARE in love, they are married, they have a child! How is that not happy? The Jessica part tho.. yep. That is REALLY the opposite of happy :/

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  47. About Scott - I mean that he's self-conscious in a different way than Tessa. Tessa might be self-conscious about what people are thinking and judging or saying. Scott is very aware of what people SEE - he always knows when he's on camera, even a fan camera, he always knows when he's watched. What he does with that awareness 'depends'. I simply want to emphasize that fans who take him for happy-go-lucky (which he isn't) and unself-conscious, someone they can observe in his natural habitat without him knowing his observed - are mistaken. Whether he's looking at the camera or not, he knows.

    The situation with Scott and Tessa on the personal front is extremely happy and no doubt sustains Scott during the more frustrating parts of the sham. After all, even the most ridiculous stuff - the Dominican photos, the Xmas stuff - took place in a timeline where what he wanted for years was being set up to become reality, so it was probably a pretty large consolation.

    People from their work environment do visit the blog. Skate Canada regularly has this blog open on its computer hours at a time - mostly focused on the comments sections (I got a stat tracker when some posters tried to game the blog).

    As to discussing this topic on message boards - yeah, it's shut down. I think even those who shut it down might actually believe the blog but don't want to give the blog the satisfaction. I am pretty familiar with fans on message boards and that's how it works - one version in pms and emails, another in public, as things become about "rival" fans or fan versus fan, and wanting to be an authority or have status vis a vis being an insider, and not wanting someone else's info to trump theirs. Lots of politics. It's not just skating forums, but across the spectrum.

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  48. P.S. - I DO find it interesting, how forbidden this topic is. What am I saying? That Tessa and Scott are legimately together and happy, love each other very much, and are free to be together - and have lied about it.

    I'm the biggest troll on the planet for saying that - in some quarters anyway. A lunatic.

    Then look at the stuff that it's okay to talk about (things that aren't true, btw): Scott and Bryce had a fight at a bar/hockey arena/somewhere else - a fistfight over Jessica. Scott and Jessica parade their romantic photos on facebook, rubbing Bryce's face in it even though for a long time Bryce was responsible for Jessica's physical safety and Jessica and Bryce had already had a traumatic on-ice accident in 2007 and Jessica is notorious for focus lapses. But sure, the skaters are all rubbing each others faces in it.

    Another fictitious story it was okay to talk about - that Scott and Bryce had to have joint counseling. The hell? They trained in separate provinces. The whole drama obviously didn't affect Scott's skating at all. They didn't skate with each other. So why?

    It's also okay to pretend to believe, and to talk about, that Tanith, Tessa, Jana and Meryl all slept with Fedor Andreev, their coach's son.

    It's okay to lie and say that Tessa Virtue broke up David Pelletier's marriage to Jamie.

    It's not okay to say Tessa and Scott are together in a legitimae relationship and are mutually in love.

    Really? Is the reason it's forbidden because that means they lied? How rude? How can that be when it's okay to call them homewreckers, assholes (rubbing Bryce's face in it) and sluts, but not okay to say they lied to protect their privacy? So - that's a fake reason.

    Fan politics. All it is. It's BECAUSE it's true, and people resent someone came out and said it - or found it out when they didn't. It's not the information itself.

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    1. I hadn't seen this while I was replying, because I was writing my own reply :P (lol, wewrite at the same time).

      And I certainly did not know about the joint thing, or that 4 skaters had supposedly slept with Fedor (lol) [I had only heard about Tessa], or that Scott was supposedly an asshole to his friend.

      ''Fans'' can be horrible sometimes. They prefer to believe Scott is an asshole that is in a relationship with an asshole, than that he lied to them to protect his privacy. Tbh, I can see why they want to protect their life so much, now.

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  49. I agree with that. When people are saying Tessa is rejecting Scott because she is very serious and wants to do intelligent stuff, while he is an immature goofball who is stuck at the age of 10, I can't help but laugh.
    I think Scott is an intelligent man (and honestly, I can't picture a dumb figure skater), very sensitive AND sensible. Whatever he does on camera, I THINK it's his way of forcing his will. With that I mean, he is always the touchy feely one, the one who looks at Tessa in an adoring way, the one who is saying ''not YET''. I think it's his way of setting up the future, of letting his truth come out no matter people around him don't want him to.
    I think he loves Tessa so much he finds it OFFENSIVE to even imply he loves another woman. And what is he stuck to doing? Exactly that. I think he can't take it. I think he does all that to force Tessa and everyone else to finally LET him tell the truth.

    I don't know if he can't stand lying, but I do know that he hates lying about his feelings for Tessa. Just look at him! He's crazy in love. (What do you think about Tessa? I think she loves him as much but is more reserved and determined to keep it private, I can't be sure tho.

    What do you mean about the Dominican photos? When were they taken? Do you mean that they were finally going to marry, so he was wiling to go through everything, no matter how ridiculous? What you are saying seems to me like Tessa had FINALLY agreed to marry him, which means that he did want her for years before she got with him. [I mean, I think I have Scott pretty figured out. A confident but sensitive guy who loves a woman like crazy and is wiling to do anything for her. But I can't figure Tessa out. It seems like she loves him like crazy as well, but that's only when she relaxes and lets her heart speak. The rest of the time, she keeps saying emotionally dry things like, they are professional, and their relationship is all about skating, etc. So what do you think? I mean she married him, she's obviously in love and all that, but still.. your opinion?] Do you think they got married because of the baby, or before the baby [what do you think it is, btw]? I mean, with a love like theirs, it's obvious they would marry sometime, but they were too young in 2009/10 (I have no idea when they married either, of course :P).

    Ooooh god! Well, kind people, please do take advice from the fans here, you are kinda doing it wrong, please reconsider or sth :P

    I don't participate in forums, I only lurk in some. Everything people say there is controled, and in this case, let's face it, censored, and that's not how I want to communicate.

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  50. "I agree with that. When people are saying Tessa is rejecting Scott because she is very serious and wants to do intelligent stuff, while he is an immature goofball who is stuck at the age of 10, I can't help but laugh.
    I think Scott is an intelligent man (and honestly, I can't picture a dumb figure skater), very sensitive AND sensible. Whatever he does on camera, I THINK it's his way of forcing his will. With that I mean, he is always the touchy feely one, the one who looks at Tessa in an adoring way, the one who is saying ''not YET''. I think it's his way of setting up the future, of letting his truth come out no matter people around him don't want him to.
    I think he loves Tessa so much he finds it OFFENSIVE to even imply he loves another woman. And what is he stuck to doing? Exactly that. I think he can't take it. I think he does all that to force Tessa and everyone else to finally LET him tell the truth.

    I don't know if he can't stand lying, but I do know that he hates lying about his feelings for Tessa. Just look at him! He's crazy in love. (What do you think about Tessa? I think she loves him as much but is more reserved and determined to keep it private, I can't be sure tho."

    I love how you put that - forcing his will. I think you're dead on about how he feels about it, and that it's been the only source of conflict/frustration between them of significance.

    Of course she adores him, always has. They're equally in love but have different natures when it comes to this and somehow he's been persuaded her view is the more mature. I think that's so off.

    I do find it troubling that the sham prevails when it's clearly not the healthiest thing for Scott, psychologically. Maybe he's convinced himself that it's the right thing intellectually - or he's been convinced, but he can't convince his instincts. IMO it would be better if he not only believed his instincts, but everyone else did. Sometimes it seems to me he believes his instincts are immature and so it's good that wiser and smarter heads prevail - but here I think he's dead right and the "wiser and smarter" heads actually have their heads up their asses. They can intellectualize the situation all they like; it doesn't take away from the fact that their fundamental premises are bogus and their read on the situation is wildly off base and illogical, because the premises are illogical. If you reason from a flawed understanding, everything's going to be a screw up.

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  51. Scott and Tessa have planned everything. Tessa was in France with her mother and sister for a wedding in their "French Family" (friends of the Virtues who were instrumental during the Olympic year). Then they (the Virtue women) went to Monaco (2009) This was one of the few occasions when Scott and Tessa were apart for part of the "official" training break in May.

    So Jessica changes her own break plans (which were to be in Mexico) and she and her siblings go to Punta Cana for about a week, Scott goes too, same resort, and a photo spam that keeps on giving is born. Pretty convincing unless you know differently, notice details and timelines and context and that the siblings were there.

    The "Dominican photos", taken May 2009, weren't unveiled til Scott and Tessa skated Mahler at Thornhill and an unusually media-heavy HPC took place at at the Olympic venue in September. BAM. Jessica unloads the photos on her facebook and one is her profile picture. Scott's friends from Medway and his cousin Cara also teased and talked up the pictures prior to the unveiling, all of them sounding like mini-Jessicas.

    An oddball element is the "French Family" (friends of the Virtues) and the fact that Joe Moir's cousin Heather apparently works for the Palace at Monaco. What many people understand about the south of France/Monaco is that $$$ and connections can get anything done - such as waiving a residency requirement for non-residents to get married. Lay the groundwork in spring 2009 (the Virtue girls - the French family also is connected in Monaco), get married right after TEB in 2009 (not too young - Tessa was no longer a teen-ager and for them, that's old enough) in private, away from home, only parents present. Return to Monaco for a thank you celebration after Worlds(kind of random Prince Albert honors a couple of Canadian medalists out of all of the Olympians, but both the Virtues and Moirs are connected in Monaco, and that's some kind of convenient connections if you want to be able to marry far away from home in a tiny time frame and expedite all the red tape).

    I believe they wanted the gold medal in part because they wanted a baby right afterwards and if they got the gold medal it's clear sailing for everything else - everything else in skating is icing. If it turned out they wanted to retire then okay - they already have won the gold medal. If they didn't win it, do they delay and go for the gold in Sochi or do they keep baby plans on track or do they do both? I just think it was a great joy and also a big relief to win, because after that they could do anything and it almost didn't matter. Of course they're natural competitors and I'm sure now it's all in the rear window and they're chomping at the bit, dying to win Worlds. :D

    Remember both Tessa and Scott come from young families. Alma was about 21 or so when she had Danny.

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  52. I'm quite sure I saw a photo in which they greet fans during the olympic canadian parade, and they have the same ring, in the same finger, in the same hand. Each of them.

    They'll come clean one day, maybe after their retirement, but they will come out as the victims of a shame they couldn't avoid. I wouldn't be surprised if they'll pretend to prove that we misunderstood what they said. lol

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    1. I have lots of that day saved on my pc, if you mean the one with the carriages, and Ill try to find them when i go to the pc. Lol, even THEY cannot claim we misunderstood, it couldn't be anymore clear that they are denying it with all the strenght they have :P but I dont care, and i dont think any of the true fans will. The reason I am talking so much about them right now, is because I have always believed they share a very rare kind of love, the kind that you see in fairytales and poems. To most fans, them not getting together, is almost like love losing. I know I am being melodramatic, but I have SEEN people saying it. Saying that they are like a prince and princess, and their beauty as a pair moves them to tears. That is the vibe I get from them, on and off the ice. An epic love, of the rarest kind. Finding your blog and learning that they are together for sure ( bc I do believe you, 100%, rock on gurl!), did not make me angry at all. It actually relieved me, it was like justice! I don't care that they are lying, I get the reasoning -the way they are doing it is gross but you can see it's wearing them down as well.

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    2. http://storage.canoe.ca/v1/dynamic_resize/?src=http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2010/06/12/celebrate1.jpg&size=640x451&quality=90

      here there is one of that photos, well, there are more of them where you can see the rings better, but here's a general idea.

      Agreed with the fact that they have all the reasons to protect themselves and their privacy but I think this isn't the way to hide it, it is a little bit annoying how they pretend that we believe to their lies. I mean, we are not such dupes. Btw I'm still a fan of them and I'll be a fan of their skating till their retirement and even after. :)

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    3. I am still a fan, and maybe even more now. They made me love skating, they are the reason I started watching and they are adorable. Not even a whole army of stupid PR people and relatives is going to make me love them less. And 4ccs are so soon, oh, the joy! Yes, they can protect themselves all they like, I just wish they'll find another way soon bc Jessica and the whole sham that's built around her person are really unpleasant. I mean, it's nothing to me, it's not affecting MY life in any way, it's affecting theirs and I wish they'd stop inflicting this upon themselves. Btw, I haven't watched a single video of them since I ~saw the light, I can't wait to watch their performances again ;) I already noticed a million little things that convinced me they are in love before, Imagine now! :p

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  53. Oh yes, they do have different natures, but equally lovely :) Oh, I remember once Scott said he was going on a romantic trip to Monaco with Tessa, I don't remember if it was 2010 or 2009 tho :P Wow, it's adorable that the baby was planned! I was thinking it was not, because Tessa was not even 21 and Scott 23 when they had it, and that is really really cute :) But you know, with them being skaters and such, I figured they could wait 4 or 5 years and still be very young for kids, but no, having a family together

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    1. Is more important to them than skating. Awww :). I'm so glad you think Tessa's equaly in love, girl is so reserved and in control! I'm sure Scott feels like the immature one out of the lot, but he clearly is not. Seems like the only one who has put the situation into perspective :P btw, that girl on ff erased her post, but it's still here, busted! :P -ps. i'm sorry I'm writing so weird, I am on my phone rn and it is difficult.

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  54. "btw, that girl on ff erased her post, but it's still here, busted"

    I doubt very much that person erased their own post. It's that control that was mentioned upthread. There are people on the forums who think they're doing the right thing by policing each and every post that touches on this subject. That particular poster on FF has been doing this kind of thing for a while. Sure, h/she does it in a negative, trollish way. So what. I thought we were all about free speech. And I think the other fans on that forum are smart enough to know when to ignore something or when to engage. It's ridiculous they go so far as to have the posts completely removed. *rolleyes*

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    1. Last I saw the post was edited and the whole text replaced by a fullstop. Nobody had engaged in conversation imwith her, there was one awesome girl who rolled her eyes and then posted two gifs where scott and tessa look really adorable, in response :P This whole thing is hilarious, I'm enjoying it so much! But that girl is mean, luckily I had pasted the comment above, she was saying Scott is a better skater than Tessa and too secy for her, and that Tessa surely must regret rejecting him. She went to such lengths to defend the moir/dube ship o_0 gurl is unwell...

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  55. There was a discussion in a different blog thread here about how there was a time Scott and Tessa appeared to be overtly laying groundwork for a reveal even while shamming, and then it stopped.

    Go back to the CTV piece on Scott & Tessa - the famous "maybe" feature now on youtube. That feature was created to address the "maybe we'll be a future couple" topic. It wasn't just the way the feature happened to unfold. Tessa spoke in ways she hadn't spoken before or since. She mentioned that she liked walking through Paris with Scott, "holding hands maybe." Yes, this is the sort of thing platonic partners do together when the other is in a committed relationship with someone else.

    Then the VO mentioned how these two sparkling personalities with great chemistry are reminiscent of Sale & Pelletier (who were not then known to be separated) and Sale & Pelletier are married and have a baby! Maybe Tessa and Scott will end up the same way!
    The VO goes on to say "When we asked Tessa, she didn't exactly say no." We then see Scott and Tessa, and Scott slings his arm around her and gives her a big kiss on the forehead. It's after the kiss that Tessa says "maybe." Scott says he's been pitching this for twelve years - five if you're just talking about interviews, and he got his first maybe.

    So here's the takeaway. First of all, Tessa and Scott were complicit in this interview. It wasn't a random chat that happened to take that turn. They did the feature in the first place in order to set up the topic. I just don't think they'd have done that if they planned or knew they'd still be hiding in 2012.

    Second, what are two people doing saying things like that - him saying he's been pitching it for twelve years and finally "progress", her saying she likes to hold hands with him in Paris? He's got a "girlfriend!" Well, obviously the girlfriend doesn't matter cause she's fake, but they went totally off script - that's not what you do if you truly want people to believe in you and your girlfriend - and they do act at times as if the whole Jessica sham doesn't exist - only to slap it back in place again.

    And I guess third is the interview set it up as if it were up to Tessa. Yet Scott is the one in the official relationship with someone else. IMO this little charade mirrors, in some ways, the reality, only substitute "reveal we're a couple" for "become a couple." And the funny part is she didn't say maybe they'd become a couple or date - she was basically saying maybe they'd end up like Sale & Pelletier - married with a child. Quite a thing to "maybe" about.

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  56. Maybe they think it's karma or fate that they're still secret. After all, Tessa's body had been through a lot and Olympic competition is no picnic on the nervous system. For all their "ideal' planning, there was no guarantee their bodies would cooperate and they'd be pregnant in that window just as the season ended and in time to compete at Worlds the following season. Delay the timing a bit and they either lie that her surgery is taking her out of the whole season, or they come clean. I think at one point they definitely realized they might come clean, but when the timing worked out, and Tessa's body cooperated visually, they went ahead with another round of sham. Which, IMO, is sad.

    I think Scott's "not YET"'s weren't just rebellion, but anticipation. Because once the new season started and it looked like they'd get away with it, he stopped. And hasn't uttered an "I'm trying" "I wish" or "not yet" since, and Tessa won't even be seen next to him walking in a corridor if someone's camera is running - so silly - as if separating by five feet establish they're not a couple. Ohh, we're on the ice together so much, even in hallways we try to pursue separate paths!!! Come on Tessa.

    How did a girl who smiled and talked about liking to hold hands with Scott in Paris, who said "maybe" and smiled more when Scott said "progress" - become a girl with a neurotic addiction to lying and hiding. Shins? I believe it's possible she did have shin surgery because I know she continued to have pain during the Olympic year, most specifically when they'd compete the od (Faruccas). She'd have intensive physio. But if she did have surgery, it wasn't as extreme as the first and her turnaround was a lot faster. That wasn't the reason she was off ice, but it was a handy excuse to cover other things. She seems happier when she's more open, she's clever and she's funny, and I think people naturally respect her and use good taste when anything in the relationship realm comes up. It's not as if she'd be given the third degree about why did you and Scott do this so early, how will it work, blah blah.

    As bad as fans can be, I think they need to be given more credit. I also think Tessa and Scott shouldn't be compared to Salle & Pelletier because their relationship and personalities are completely different. What might impact a Salle & Pelletier won't impact a Scott and Tessa. So many operating premises were screwed up when this plan was cooked up.

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  57. A few upthread - it IS annoying - how obnoxious their lies can be. They've gotten away with their game in large part because a lot of fans have been very considerate. It's not worth it to a lot of fans to share publicly stuff they know, heard or have seen. If they don't know or haven't heard, they still may notice things and suspect things and still - they keep their mouths shut - in public anyway. And what do they get in return? A more-clever-than-thou attitude from SC and the skaters, patronizing references to fans by the figure skaters (that meaningful talk about "really dedicated fans")and the Fed, and finding themselves set up and played for fools. Or extreme stage craft - as if people can't see that it's stage craft. The sham gives itself all the credit and gives outsiders - none. The reality is the sham ain't that clever - it's a debacle. It's not blown open more a LOT thanks to fans. It's not because the skaters and SC are so freaking smart.

    Sometimes I wonder if the audience was middle-aged and-up men and a smattering of geek-chic type younger guys if the audience would be treated with more respect. A lot of the references to fans have that distasteful "frau" undertone. You know - women. Fans are women. Unimportant women. I hear that when I hear "our audience." When Bryce Davison mentions that The Way We Were was pitched towards their audience's generation. When Scott says their music choices for galas are restricted because of "our audience." It's all code for "unimportant, simple-minded women." And nobody panders to that idea more than Debbi Wilkes. Every syllable out of her mouth reveals her opinion of the unimportant women that they consider the figure skating publi.

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  58. I'll try to go find the youtube video, if not I'll ask you for its title, and I'm going to reply to the rest tomorrow, cause it is late here! Thank you !!! :-)

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  59. ^^ 3:00

    I don't remember Bryce Davison saying that about The Way We Were, but that makes me so mad. I probably would be considered "that public" and I thought that selection was booooring and stupid in light of the story they were pitching about themselves. I hate that kind of music. I wonder if they're going off what someone like Debbi Wilkes or Barb McDonald think is "appropriate" music, seeing as how they are "that" generation. If so, those ladies have awful taste in music. Not to mention, that attitude is outrageously patronizing.
    I'm pissed.

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  60. K, I just saw it, and apart from realising I'd never seen it again, GOD, it was really really obvious. Tessa saying they were holding hands in Paris? Scott comparing their relationship to a marriage? Everything else? It was all about setting things up, that's for sure. The sad part is that in the interviews that followed, until today, they act as if this interview never happened :/ Ahahaha. Ok, I'd even put my hands into the fire now. Talk again tomorrow, I'm going to watch some more t/s vids and then go to sleep :)

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  61. Here's the "maybe" video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXJyK7BggiU

    Yes, the attitude is extremely patronizing. You're probably not the only one pissed, but they've certainly sold this image to the figure skaters. Even Johnny Weir gets odd about it. A lot of figure skaters are like that about the judges - the way they talk the judges would have to be about 110 - pre-rock'n'roll, pre-1970's. They know it's not true of their coaches and choreographers, why they think middle-aged and up means Mozart or lite rock, beats me.

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  62. Incidentally, the "maybe" video was after Canadians 2009, right in the middle of the fictitious "shin rift" they built their book around.

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  63. I'm enjoying this additional conversation regarding the pregnancy. I always assumed it was accidental, so while an unplanned baby can certainly be wanted very much, it's a bit easier on TS that this was planned. Perhaps less excuse to continue with the sham though, they weren't backed into any (imaginary) corners. I'm wondering about this chicken/egg scenario: which came first, Skate Canada's wish to broadcast the skater's personal stories and TS in horror at that idea, or did they want OTT privacy all along and SC thought, oh that makes it kinda juicy, how can we benefit?

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  64. Anon above, I also assumed the baby was an accident, as it isn't doesn't seem to be the best time to start a family. Though I have no doubt they were excited and are great parents. The fact OyCanada suggests it was planned is more disturbing because it indicates a huge network of "insiders" involved to knowingly hide a pre-planned pregnancy. It is just icky.

    I don't believe they are married though, not sure why, its just a feeling.

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  65. I do buy the marriage stuff, Mahler for one, also an explanation for the weird injury separation story.

    Someone should add a mention of SJ to the wikipedia page for bearding, preferably with a picture of them LOL

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  66. Haha - that would be hilarious.

    The rift - which is a proven lie - covers the period of time when the marriage planning and execution was in full swing. What more "clever" misdirection than to afterwards go on and on and on about how estranged you both were during that time. Marriage? We were barely speaking.

    Oh the cleverness. How can we keep up? But thankfully, although TEB was a time of particular strain (we can all see that from the competition footage, the Kiss'n'Cry, not to mention what I know of that competition and what other fans know as well) - they were miraculously all better by Canadians.

    They're like a fairy tale, aren't they?

    No, seriously. Like a fairy tale.

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  67. You can certainly see them being self-conscious because of their ages, their plans and the timing, but why they think if they didn't deny everything they'd have to leave themselves open for comments and questions certainly beats me. THEY'RE sure of themselves - that's all they have to say, if even that. To whom do they need to justify themselves? Considering half the planet believes they're in love and should be together forever, did they really think critics would shift focus and say what are you doing, you're too young? If nothing else, they have the G&G example ahead of them, and that worked out fine, marriage, baby and two Olympics-wise, under much more difficult circumstances, logistically, than Tessa and Scott. And G&G are famous.

    What do they care what people say? They are very driven, very in-love, and if you pay attention, you can hear how extremely important it is to both of them to nurture their bond outside the rink. Golfing (silly, but that's part of it). A family. When you've loved as long as they have, the ages they put these plans in motion isn't too young. And, it makes sense. They come from young families. They want, perhaps, to do two Olympics. Their off-ice life and protecting what they have so it thrives after eligible skating is also important. Since 2006 they have aimed towards one goal - the 2010 Olympics. They knew they were getting married - that wasn't a question. Do they defer their family and spend eight straight years pursuing the Olympics? Wouldn't it be ideal if they could win in Vancouver and have a baby right afterwards? Even if it meant skipping 2011-2012, that sets them up perfectly for Sochi. Scott used to talk about how they didn't want to wait their "turn" - their goal was gold in Vancouver and they both had goals after that.

    This was what he meant. How much easier to carry through with your plans when you've won the gold medal. Things have worked out well for them - Tessa's healthy, they're skating well, they still want it, but that wasn't a guarantee when all of this was in the planning stages. The part where they win gold in 2010, not 2014, made everything happier and easier, baby-wise (not that I think they'd have postponed if they didn't win gold).

    So, the timing was actually perfect, if you're them. Talk about having it all. And it's not difficult to understand I don't think. But I'm probably wrong, as THEY think people are too stupid to get it.

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  68. Their lives do mimic G&G to such a degree, it's almost scary. They are a couple off the ice, just like G&G. They won Olympic gold and got married shortly after. Then had a baby shortly after that. Now they are going for their second Olympic medal, just like G&G while raising the baby. And they've been called G&G of ice dance. The similarities are simply amazing.

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  69. Their lives do mimic G&G to such a degree, it's almost scary. They are a couple off the ice, just like G&G. They won Olympic gold and got married shortly after. Then had a baby shortly after that. Now they are going for their second Olympic medal, just like G&G while raising the baby. And they've been called G&G of ice dance. The similarities are simply amazing.

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  70. Sorry for double post. I thought the first post didn't take.

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  71. Here's something I hadn't thought of - at the Olympics, was T really rooming with Joannie? That must have felt weird sleeping apart when they are married and not just together. Then again, Scott did let something slip about showers in an interview I think lol

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  72. Oh I remember that with the showers, it seems like a slip-up to me too! :P

    Methinks they have different rooms officially, but use the same room actually.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH-31X6m6cg&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

    Even before we would see each other we had talked through it a million times, in the shower, getting ready..

    So, before they would see each other, they would talk in the shower :P
    lollololol

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  73. Oh, I forgot to say, right when Scott says shower Tessa has a weird expression, and after that he immediatelly goes from WE to I:

    ''I obviously wasn't doing it in the shower...'' blah blah

    And then he goes:

    THEN we would come together and we would talk...

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  74. Aha yes! Tessa's epic SHUTUP look.

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