Wednesday, October 11, 2017

No, it isn't


I know fans on skating forums hate having their screen names dragged onto this blog, but I'm using MarieM as a representative example. This kind of shit typifies a forum post. "I look at their technique and it's pristine." They just say that, no hesitation. But no, it's not top notch. You've been on a fan board for 20 years or something, and you still have no idea what top notch ice dance technique looks like. You are fine with the standards you've made up in your head, which are about how you understand music, and about the movement style you prefer. You've standards using no objective criteria for excellent skating, and yet you think your assessment of skating is as valid as anyone who actually knows what they're talking about.

Anybody who deconstructed Papadakis & Cizeron's skating per the standards and criteria that define superior skating skills would find flaws at every turn.

Some other poster rhapsodized about how their arms intertwined. Well, because emphasizing the arms distracts from the distance between their bodies and their skates, not to mention the continual misalignment of their skates and their lack of unison, not just in body line but in timing.

How is it that everybody who knows nothing about skating but loves to talk about music cuts, acting, costuming, arms and facial expressions sticks around and grows old on skating forums, but people who do know about skating disappear? I guess because the know nothing "side" is winning - not the argument, but the results. Hard to argue with those, as the saying goes, even if the results have nothing to do with what was skated. Nothing brought that home more than the scores PC got in their early outings, no matter what happens down the line. If Virtue Moir were not back in competition, PC's scores would still be simultaneously outrageous and pathetic.*

*Was reading about an official who wants to change the rules, scoring, and the nature of the programs competed even more. He's thinking about TV ratings. Figure skating is reality TV, it's not a sport. The rules facilitate reality TV, not competition, not sport. I don't think dumbing down figure skating will make it more popular. I think the opposite will accomplish that. But you can't tell that to officials whose baseline worldview is they're smart and most people who aren't them are dumb.

15 comments:

  1. There's your answer, oycanada. (I'm referring to your * comment at end of article) It's becoming more & more "Choreography trumps technique any day" situation now. Well, in the case for ice dance anyways.It will be fairly predictable where this is going, right? Rules are for formality purposes then. It won't be for the health of future generation of ice dance skaters & its discipline. More like, the bulb will go off in coaches head that if any given team can get by with average skating skills but with superb choreography (consistently and of course, with blessing from Fed), they will be deemed worthy of the next upcoming Champion title. There's nothing much we can do, is there?

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    1. Except the choreography isn't superb at all.

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    2. "Superb" in eyes of audience. Trust me ... They eat up P/C's choreography any time, even if if they say "oh yeah, V/M's FD is different , dramatic, play on their strengths, showmanship , *fill in the blank* , etc... It'll still be yeah, P/C is still more "sublime"

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    3. And don't forget ratings ... I'm still gonna root for V/M. ALL. The. Way. Heck, I'm no Canadian :P

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    4. The ratings suck, though, and figure skating doubles down.

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  2. It's all about the money, money, money ...

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  3. I was watching some videos of V/M as juniors and stumbled across one of their junior OD's for the 04-05 season (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvDMZDWEG-0). Their lift at 1:36 reminded me of P/C's "lvl 4" FD lift, at the beginning anyway. I cannot believe that P/C are allowed to get away with lifts less difficult than those junior V/M were doing.

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    1. while we are at it! around 3:05

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEJeiQOHD2k

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    2. PC are a joke, this is not fair and latest ISU video treat PC like they were world champions and no VM it is getting me sick.

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  4. What will be more atrocious this season is when the judging scores for P/C's SD will be so close to V/M's. I must say that I find other skaters out now had better skate wise & choreography than the French. Mark my words. Just wait. It will happen ...

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  5. go shibs!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmrIbrcmck0

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  6. Off topic. Do you know if Tessa ever did a cosmetic surgery? Looking back it seems to me she did. At least she looked different (in pics) prior to 2009. Nose wise. Not that it's wrong. Personal choice, right?

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    1. I think nose, lips and maybe zygomatic bone. Of course is personal choice but If you asked I think she has done these three things.

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  7. Off-topic, but Piper is currently whining loudly on social media about their scores today (for perspective, they're behind the Shibs, Bobrova/Soloviev, and Stepanova/Bukin -- I guess it's the last that pisses her off but I wouldn't be surprised if she thinks they deserve to beat the Shibs). SUCH A PITY I can't seem to weep over someone complicit in what happened to many more talented teams over the years in order for to even reach this point where a score just below 70 is a slap in the face.

    She won't be penalized for this, either, and the message board fans are feeling very suspicious that G/P and the even more mediocre Guignard/Fabbri didn't score higher -- ebol politiks! Just imagine the result if some other ice dancers had retweeted fan complaints about them being hosed. Or questioned some aspect of their scores like, I don't know, a Scott Moir.

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  8. Just watched the Shibs short dance and I love it! If they lose to P/C that is nearly as atrocious as Virtue and Moir losing to them. Ugh. My dream Olympic dance podium is Virtue/Moir Gold, Shibs Silver and Hubbel/Donahue Bronze

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