Friday, July 11, 2014

I could never promote that message of concealing who you are with all of this going on in Russia. I’m kind of happy that I did it on my own terms.
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Ms. Bucsis said she finally opened up after friend and teammate Kaylin Irvine encouraged her “to actually live an authentic life.”
Anastasia Bucsis, Olympic speed skater.
Bucsis reputedly participated in an LGBT documentary
filmed in Sochi on the dl. Sounds great, but no way
it's as raw and
real as Tessa and Scott's Journey to
Silver in Sochi, Which They Were Lucky to Get,
Considering How Their Skating Has Deteriorated,
and How They Work Each Other's Last Nerve.
Anastasia Bucsis tweeted the image in the blog's post below this one, and she's the athlete standing next to Scott Moir.

Sure, we're talking apples and oranges. There's no parallel between Bucsis's journey, and Scott and Tessa's desire to commodify their chemistry, aggressively foist upon the public their publicly platonic relationship as the real deal, so tune in, cause you don't get authenticity this genuine every day, while pursuing a pattern of baiting, switching, jerking the public's chain, while concealing from their targets the fact that they're married to each other, and parents together. Scott and Tessa aren't inauthentic inauthentic. It's just the public they're screwing with, and we know what we're worth. Pffft. Everybody who matters knows about Virtue Moir. Grappling with private and public acceptance of your sexuality and lying about it until you and yours come to terms is a serious matter; making idiots out of a public that earnestly supports you, defends you, and believes everything you say is just fun.

Still, I hope Bucsis doesn't become a regular sham facilitator. I'd like to think that synapses do fire somewhere in Canadian sports.

Randy Starkman is an "Olympic Sports reporter", who, in April 2011, had this article published in The Toronto Star:

22 year old Anastasia Bucsis is Patrick Chan's girlfriend

And we have this from The Advocate, published in 2013:

Anastasia Bucsis proud to be gay

in which Bucsis says she came out to family and friends two years ago. Which means, in 2011. This timeline suggests that in April 2011, at age 22, Anastasia Bucsis was in a thriving romantic relationship with Patrick Chan, inspiring him on and off the ice, according to Starkman. But before 2011 was done, Bucsis realized she was actually gay. Wasting no more time, she came out to family and friends.

Except:
Being closeted and not knowing any other speed skaters affected her performance in 2010, where she competed in the 500-meter event.

Closeted means "knew she was gay." In 2010.

I suppose Bubcis could have been so fearful, so committed to denial, that by 2011, she was in an actual romantic relationship with/deceived a young man who just happened to be Canada's highest profile male singles skater, the front-runner for 2014 Olympic gold, a guy who just happened to be promoting his short program as the story of a young man in love for the first time.* Whatever, by the end of 2011, Anastasia was done living a lie. I hope Patrick took it well. That has to be what happened there. It can't be that the relationship was an expedient publicity thing for both, for their separate agendas. What are the odds?

In the 2013 article, it's said Bucsis doesn't want her sexual orientation to be her entire identity, and her coming out publicly, in advance of Sochi, was a response to Russia's anti-gay policies. Not wanting her sexual orientation to be her entire identity certainly puts Bucsis ahead of Scott Moir, who wants his heterosexual, active duty penis to be most of his public identity. It never takes a rest, that thing. Always on task.

I'm not suggesting that Kaitlyn Lawes is gay. But as soon as it emerged that Kaitlyn Lawes was Sham Girlfriend V.3, we knew that Kaitlyn Lawes was promoting herself in a fake relationship. That's not anything we knew about her before. She handed us that one. In our role as the dumbass dupes, or at least in our role as the absolutely powerless, are we supposed to pretend not to know it's a fake relationship? Is it okay to ask why Kaitlyn Lawes would promote herself in a fake relationship, or to wonder, since she's in a fake relationship now, if her prior public relationship with DJ Kidby was also fake? I don't want to pussyfoot around, knowing she's got to be shamming for a reason, getting all euphemistic when it comes to one possible hypothetical (i.e., is this a Bucsis situation), while being perfectly comfortable explicitly hypothesizing the potential existence of a legit boyfriend she (and he) prefer to keep on the dl (a/k/a "the Cynthia Phaneuf option"). Both hypotheses are, in principle, equally benign. But we all know that not everybody, especially in Canadian sports, feels the same way.

Key point - when Bucsis came out, there was no mention (that I've found) of her having previously been "out" as Patrick Chan's girlfriend. Her contemporary narrative is that Bucsis was a painfully isolated closet case who, with the love and support of wise friends and mentors, found the courage to live an authentic life. But, if we remember that she was Patrick's public girlfriend, that's problematic - for Patrick. Sure, we now get Bucsis's side of things, but what about him? Why would he promote a fake relationship?

Let's not open that door. Just press delete instead.

These articles aren't information. They're chum. They're vehicles that provide the "journalist" with a clip, while positioning the subject(s) inside whatever frame it's decided serves their immediate self-interest. That's it. Whether the journalist is an "Olympic Sports Reporter" or a purple prose spewing groupie like Rosie DiManno, same difference. These "journalists" are hype hacks. For anyone who anticipates that the media will play connect-the-dots when/if Scott and Tessa reveal, nobody's going to connect the dots. Narratives are never matched against prior narratives. The only relevant narrative is today's.

At least Anastasia and Patrick didn't spend most of the 2011 Star article telling us how really really really real their love is, like it or not. Bullshit is standard operating procedure when athletes and celebrities position themselves in the public eye. It's content for content's sake, buzz for buzz's sake; the actual narrative is transitory, and often celebrities know the public is in on that. Scott and Tessa are different. These two continually underscore that they are not only the authors of their narrative, no matter how often it changes and/or contradicts itself, but the sole interpreters. They instruct fans what to think. They don't just lie their faces off, they take pains to emphasize how incredibly transparent, open and genuine everything is. It's one thing to market your bullshit, which pretty much everyone does, it's sort of another thing to market your bullshit specifically and proactively as standing apart from everbody else's due to how authentic and real it is, and then pat yourself on the back for your generosity and transparency. That extra step is pretty thuggish. They're not content to think the public might be responding a la - "Blah blah blah that's this week's story - maybe next week's will be more interesting." Tolerating any sort of sophistication or empowerment in or among elements of their public isn't in Scott and Tessa's playbook. They prefer to be better than, and condescend.

ETA: I just want to elaborate a bit more on the difference between what Virtue and Moir do, and regular spin/image shaping. Regular spin/image shaping doesn't often deal with facts, but attitudes, feelings, etc. For example, skating partners love and respect each other, can't imagine skating with anyone else, really appreciate this experience or that opportunity, aren't sure what their next step may be but are excited at what's ahead, blah blah blah. They could hate each other, be x-ing off the calendar til certain things are accomplished and they can be rid of the other person, they could find certain obligations and experiences tedious or worse, they could resent a whole bunch of shit, but at the end of the day, we're talking people lying about how they feel. If you think feelings are facts, maybe that's bad, but we all have to be diplomatic in our jobs. That stuff really does go to the professional side of things. Then there's the fake relationships, but very often, as with Chan and Bucsis, the two participants at least are actually single.

There's also stuff like Kim Kardashian's marriage to Kris Humphries, where he later said something like he doubted she entered into the marriage with genuine intentions; it was all about the show. No duh, but, whatever her intentions, she actually DID enter into the marriage. Kardashian/Humphries weren't being marketed everywhere as an engagement/wedding/marriage while the reality was he had a wife and kids stashed somewhere and the entire thing was, factually, a charade.

Plenty of things are charades emotionally. "I hate you, but I have to pretend to love you." (Or vice versa, as with Scott and Tessa's "reality show.")

Scott and Tessa distinguish themselves because they actively, aggressively, market lies as facts. The selling point is that they're giving us facts. Where else is that done?
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*That's stronger promotion for Take Five than, say, "In Take Five, Patrick portrays a young man in love, a milestone the 20 year old has yet to reach in his off-ice life because he still shares a room with his mom."

54 comments:

  1. So many sham elements in place *just in time* for the big golf tournament. Isn't that lovely? So considerate of Tessa and Scott.

    Kaitlyn Lawes has tweeted her delight at an upcoming weekend of golf with friends. A whole weekend? Coming up--Tessa really really getting into twitter. It's so *fun* to SHARE FROM MY HEART with fans the real, really really real, genuinely real, behind-the-scenes real Tessa and Scott.

    Oh, there's Scott's GF! I told you we were genuine!! LIKE IT OR NOT!

    Perhaps Tessa will also genuinely share photos of the happy couple with Mama and Papa Moir. Moirville loves to include the parents. Didn't you know that makes it *more real.*

    What counts is, Tessa is *sharing* with fans on twitter!! (*Squeal*) That proves it's real. And she's such a sweetheart. Look at her being real. Being friends with Scott's GF (and perhaps Scott and Kaitlyn also being friends with Tessa and her BF). See? All one big happy family. What's more really really real than that?

    No one cares she's feeding the public genuine sham crap. All that matters is she's tweeting. Tessa (and Scott) will take full advantage of that mentality.

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    1. Look at what Tessa did. Sharing a photo of herself and Scott, by all appearances (meaning, in the camera frame, and we don't see who took the picture) - alone together. Sharing the same side of the booth. Going over material for the charity golf event. Just Scott and Tessa. SO appreciative.

      Where's Kaitlyn pitching in? You know, helping her man. It's the weekend and all; surely Tessa just met up with the happy couple. But nope, there's Tessa and Scott, same side of the booth.

      Come golf day - psych! Kaitlyn! Kaitlyn Kaitlyn Kaitlyn!

      We all know how this works. Her twitter is a bait machine.

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    2. OC 6:19
      I think the takeaway is supposed to be "business partners".

      From the outset, the twitter bio includes Scott as that mere "partner" she skated with for 17 yrs. It's not like he's a close friend or anything like that. Tessa is promoting herself alone. A single girl with a skating/business partner.

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    3. Maybe 30 minutes after Tessa tweeted that photo, Kaitlyn Lawes tweeted about playing golf this weekend. That's a classic VM Sham 101 bait set up right there.

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    4. It's synergy! Look how everything dovetails. This is almost professional!

      oc

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    5. Wow!!!^^ a lot of tessa deep hate right there. So personal...to you.. isnt it ???

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    6. That's right, 11:33, try deflecting with accusations of hate. That way it gets the attention off the real issues being discussed. To whit, Tessa and Scott hoaxing the public, going on 7 years now.

      No personal hatred anywhere here. But I'm sure you would agree we're allowed to "hate" the lies. We are the public VM market themselves to. We have a right to analyze their "marketing" and call it what it is. A hoax.

      Miss Virtue is winsome and lovely in her new twitter toy. She's also lying. Scott is not her "partner". He's her best friend, her husband and the father of her child. Until she acknowledges those facts, what she's doing is lying.

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    7. 11:33 please knock it off with the greatest hits from the concern troll playbook. I look forward to someone, somewhere, who dislikes something being said on the web, coming up with an objection OTHER than "Hater" (the biggest cop-out expression in the world, meant to invalidate all criticism), AND "boy, it's personal." which is meant to put the other side on the defensive, but is also a load of bullshit.

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  2. Off topic but any juice on kirsten tower moors? other than she was looking for a new partner long before the spilt with dylan?

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    1. I have nothing, although I do believe she was shopping for a post-Sochi partner way before Dylan, and certainly we, knew that was on her agenda. SC has talked about them, but nothing so far on Dylan and his new partner. If there are non-skating issues explaining this, I'd like to know what they are. Otherwise, it's distasteful.

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    2. The only comment I've seen on Dylan and his new partner is that Russia still hasn't granted her release. Until Russia grants her release, there may not be a lot too say. This was in the article with the Slipchuk quotes in which the same Skate Canada that was trying retire VM off in March is now saying they're giving them time to make up their minds what they want to do.

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    3. That article was quite an about face from what Skate Canada previously said about VM in March. Even quotes from Slipchuk "we’d love them to be there forever (on the team)"

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    4. No shit. That's an upcoming post. Amazing how Slipchuk is practically effusive about VM now. Stay as long as you like, guys! We're talking about the best skaters in the world.

      Amazing he's found his voice. He was so mute after the Grand Prix Final. After the Olympic Team event. After the fucking Olympic ice dance competition (his remarks after that were weasel, along the lines of "think what you like." Maybe he was busy preparing remarks for one of David Dore's upcoming recognition ceremonies.). After the Olympics, Skate Canada was all - the consensus is VM are retiring, and we're certain VM will be persuaded so share in that consensus. Say, what do you think Gilles and Poirier's new programs will look like?

      Screw him.

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    5. Oh, there's that Slipchuk enthusiasm when he really really cares. Reminiscent of his reaction to the Grand Prix Final and Sochi Ice dance competition. Can't be fussed.

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    6. IF VM do return to competition, I wonder if SC (Slipchuk) now has plans to actually support them politically.

      Not that the rulebook can't be completely ignored as it was for DW the past two quads, but it seems like the changes and choices for ice dance over the coming seasons favor VM. Not that VM's lifts aren't epically stunning, but the rational for removing a lift is so teams can have more time to dance. There's the creative steps part of the SD now (sounds like the kind of challenge VM like to take on for themselves with their skating). The SD rhythm for this season is Paso Doble, and for 15-16 it's the Ravensburger Waltz.

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    7. Removing a lift makes me suspicious---more room for dancing (ie. subjectivity/bias/preference) and less technical requirements. Pffft.

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    8. Ann Shaw said that?

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    9. Just a note - Mike Slipchuk attended the ISC golf turney today, and tweeted (can't make out if that's Kaitlyn Lawes next to him or not). Amazing. By his silence, this guy cooperated with the sports crime that gave DW the gold. Kept his mouth shut after the GPF, when any sports Fed would have been screaming to high heaven.

      But this is how it works. Live via embed in Skate Canada, die by it. Moirville is embedded with it. SC gave them the shaft, including Slipchuk, and they had to suck it down.

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    10. OC do you think Slipchuk being there could indicate anything about VM continuing to compete. A sort of SC making nice with VM, combined with his quotes about them in that article it seems like their is a shift going on where SC is concerned.

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    11. I have the same thought, 8:13. Months back, it appeared as if Skate Canada were hustling VM out the door. Now Mike Slipchuk is showing at the ISC fund raiser golf tourney. This is a guy who sat on his hands and didn't open his mouth when Virtue and Moir were robbed at the GPF and Olympics. Speaking up was his fucking job, and he hand waved both results. It was disgusting (we can see some of that same Mike Slipchuk in his "What's a Dylan Moscovitch" current attitude. It's like Kirsten and her new partner are the new G&P (also evocative of when Dube dumped Davison). There's a lack of graciousness, a lack of tact and consideration.

      It just smells bad. The ISC is Skate Canada too. Skate Canada threw VM under the bus this past quad, helped cost them the Olympic gold medal they'd earned on the ice, and a couple of World championships to boot. This just smells like favor trading, politics, and compensation. Some sort of back end "making up" for the shit he should have been doing the past two years, but didn't because the fix was in and he was part of it.

      I just can't stomach his being all over VM right now when he couldn't find his voice the past two years, and I can't stand that Moirville, in the skating business, had to stand by and say nothing as well.

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    12. If VM do come back, I'm curious to see what SC has to say about them and their skating and what the press has to say. If what's been said recently is just the start of saying all of the things that needed to be said the last quad.

      Also, if they come back, even if they win everything they enter, it still doesn't erase the fact that they were robbed of the OGM in Sochi, the 2011 and 2013 world titles, and the 2009, 2011, 2012, and 2013 GPF titles.

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    13. Speaking of people at the golf tournament... who's the dude taking selfies with Tessa and Scott (expected), and also conveniently, KL?

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    14. No, it doesn't. This stain isn't going to wash away. It's not a "just this once, and now back to our regular programming." IMO it sticks with Skate Canada, the ISU, the entire skating matrix going forward, until it becomes permissible to actually, publicly, look at the skating and look at the rulebook and actually notice if they match. To this day it's unbelieveable that freaking fetal ball lift was executed in every one of DW's free dances, Meryl curling up into a little ball and she and Charlie jointly clutching as she was hoisted shoulder level and girdled, and then the big ta da moment was she straightened her widdle feet while his feet got off-line and wobbled, and nobody was supposed to fucking say anything.

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    15. Anon at 7:33 am - Kris Young is the head trainer of the Canadian women's hockey team. He took quite a few pictures during Sochi including a picture of himself, Scott,Tessa and Patrick Sharpe (hockey player)...so he would know the majority of the Canadian Olympians including KL...

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  3. So...twitter...when was her profile pic from? Surely you know the exact date...any good stalker would. She looks massively pregnant.....lol...obviously not recent...right?

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    1. So...in this comments section...using the word stalker when it doesn't in any way apply to the situation...you've proven you know how to do it...like any troll would.

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    2. She looks massively pregnant in the photos taken from behind at the London FC game last night, so that tells me the bikini pic is not recent at all.

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    3. Yup. Interestingly, I saw a lot of photos of her from the front where she didn't look pregnant at all, but then once I saw the video, bam, she totally looks pregnant from the back.

      Makes me wonder if there wasn't an agreement that she got to pick which pictures were published, but whoever did the video wasn't aware of that. Oops.

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    4. But she's pretty clever, because she has chocolate enthusiast in her twitter bio, and has already mentioned twerking... so now she can twerk that big booty she got from eating chocolate. ;)

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    5. Even if the bikini photo were more recent, I don't think it says anything. It's head on. We don't know actually what's going on with the midsection. People just have it in their heads that it would be a certain dimension and scale vis a vis the rest of her body. A lot of people just don't grasp what an elite figure skater's body looks like, what their abs look like. It's not your zumba teacher's abs.

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    6. 7:32, it's also angles. Tessa's extremely fit and has wide, square shoulders. If she's photographed head on, we really can't see the front to back relationship of her midsection to her hips or her chest. From that angle everything can read as being on the same plane, when it's not, particularly given extraordinary abs. Tessa's absolutely square to the camera in the bikini shot, giving us the Flat Tessa angle, which is no angle.

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    7. um i hope you are aware that the images in the London FC video are edited/resized therefore slightly distorted hence why she looks wide and short. to put it kindly, considering that the rest of the video was so poorly edited i think its safe to assume that the photos in the video were also poorly edited/resized. if you decrease the width of a photo and increase the length even slightly, naturally the person in the photo will appear wider.

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    8. decrease the length, increase the width*

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    9. It's amazing how pictures are constantly resized in a way that makes Tessa look pregnant, a problem that most skaters don't seem to have. If it was one picture, OK, but why does it keep happening?

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    10. Tessa must be using that same editing/resizing software on her Twitter pictures cos they're making her face look fuller and her boobs look bigger. Can anyone tell me the name of this software - got a couple of bee stings here myself that I'd like to edit....or resize ;-)

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    11. Is that videographer from the FC London video going everywhere with Tessa Virtue these days? Because every photograph and video of her shows her looking wider, with a fuller face, a larger chest, and growth all over that indicates a pregnancy.

      The images in that video may have been slightly edited, but they don't alter the reality that Tessa's body is changing just like it did her during her first pregnancy and they can't explain it away as a camera trick.

      On that note, I thought she looked great at that appearance. Very fresh faced and happy.

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    12. " If it was one picture, OK, but why does it keep happening?" well technically it is just one photo (or rather the photos in the video) where she looks different. she doesnt look the same as she does in the video in fan photos from the event. tessa isnt that short in real life.

      "Can anyone tell me the name of this software"

      seems like the person who put the video together used MS paint.

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    13. It's amazing software because it gave that effect to Tessa but not to the other people in the shot. I wonder if it can be done the other way, with other videos. I wonder if there's editing software to slenderize. Still, one would think everybody else in the particular shot we're talking about would also be wide and squat.

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  4. Thank you. I'm going to be doing the cuteiceprincess posts this weekend.

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  5. Now that Tessa is on Twitter, everyday will be a sham day (to wit: her fantastic BS today about eating French pastries for a month). It's going to be exhausting ;-)

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      I was just coming over here to say the same thing.
      BS all the way baby!

      I was so hoping Tessa would stay away from in-your-face shamming. So far it had been very subtle, what with referring to Scott only as the skating "partner", as if he wasn't really important to her real, off-ice life. But ok, one could say it was true, even if she wasn't allowing the whole story.

      But this. Please. Bullshit.

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    2. That must have been a hell of a lot of pastries...

      I'm curious to see Tessa's strategy for the upcoming shows. China is the one place in the world where fans don't post pictures and video (what luck!) but she's still going to have a hard time hiding her pregnancy on the official feed. For the people who aren't wilfully blind, at least.

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    3. Don't forget she was drinking wine! That was a very deliberate drop-in.

      They are nothing if not SUBTLE when it comes to shamming and trying to off-set the truth, am I right? LULZ.

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    4. *Subtle* is their middle name.

      No transparency anywhere. They're genuine, you know. Not liars.

      Oh wait... I can see the lie a hundred miles away. Ooops.

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    5. The blog has often called out Moirville for the pettiest, ultra-competitiveness with Virtue and Moir's public. Tessa has Tess-splained and come across as a control freak, but this latest tweet also feels competitive. Wine! (check - I'm not pregnant!) "Pastries!" (oops, I saw the video - it's pastries!)

      Maybe if they didn't constantly "explain" their credibility would be enhanced. Most people who tell the truth aren't constantly on guard about perceived "slips" or interpretations that they're not. The truth is the truth. Virtue and Moir are constantly on patrol, constantly acting like p.r. is checkers or chess.

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    6. Yeah, uh...so pastries are going to keep explaining the pregnancy weight gain from here on out? Or are the fans supposed to believe that suddenly, Maria Mountain's workouts aren't getting the job done anymore? Oops! Time for a new trainer! My current one can't seem to stop me from gaining weight suspiciously like a pregnant woman does. You're fired, Maria!

      I guess the people being duped probably won't employ logic when looking at the situation anyway, because they haven't done so yet.

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    7. "The truth is the truth. Virtue and Moir are constantly on patrol, constantly acting like p.r. is checkers or chess."

      Let's go with checkers. That's a kids game, and is far more appropriate to how all of this is being run (and the audience who are buying up everything they're being fed).

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    8. A favourite explanation last time around was that Tessa got out of shape while she was off ice recovering from her surgery. Somehow the fact that she kept getting bigger after coming back to training was ignored. This whole saga makes for an interesting study in the lengths people will go to believe what they want to believe.

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    9. I'm sure they have more photos banked for her to tweet late into the year, but it's still going to be obvious they aren't current. Especially because they don't know how to do anything without going way overboard, cramming it down everyone's throats alongside promises they're being sincere and showing everyone the "real them."

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  6. Ahhh, I see she's taken the fans narrative as her own (again). How sweet. Such a nice "confirmation" for all of them. It conveniently explains why she looks a little different AND gives strike two (on the Twitter) towards a pregnancy. Also, she didn't even need to say Semple, but since the rest of it's "true", that part can now be taken for fact as well.

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    1. Since they don't really know what's "normal" in boy-girl relationships vis a vis the public or "normal" in letting the public in on a pregnancy (just fact of life, kiddos), 99.99% of what they do with the sham is so OTT and blatantly fake.

      We win because the cracks in their narratives are so glaring and easy to pick apart. It often surprises me that their huge family (full of marriages and babies) isn't able to advise them how to make things appear "real" when it comes to the sham. Then you add in their freakish control in the patrolling of every possible slip (thanks for that description oc, it's brilliant), all it does is further highlight the weird fake.

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    2. It's actually a threefer.

      1. I've spent an entire month away from Scott.
      2. Eating pastries, so ignore my ass.
      3. Drinking wine - I'm not pregnant!

      If only the ISC golf event photos were as swift to appear.

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    3. Must have gotten her fill of wine in France since it appears she's opting for water in her wine glass. Or maybe it's just all those unwanted extra calories since she's back in the gym now.

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  7. cuteiceprincessloveJuly 14, 2014 at 4:04 AM

    New entries ;)

    Skating Skills http://cuteiceprincesslove.tumblr.com/post/91735057821/virtue-moir-and-davis-white-skating-skills

    Chactaw http://cuteiceprincesslove.tumblr.com/post/91736068201/virtue-moir-and-davis-white-chactaw

    Recap post if you need it ;) http://cuteiceprincesslove.tumblr.com/post/91735589591/virtue-moir-comparisons

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