Not hard to explain at all.
Their relationship isn't difficult to explain. But they have lied their asses off for years, and keep upping the ante. Maybe that's the toughie.
So far, this post-Sochi phase reminds me of the last Olympics, when Tessa and Scott were everywhere together, all the time, until they decided it was enough and resumed shamming. I wonder if they have a new girl in mind this time. In the past, I've wondered if they'd switch it up and have Tessa be the one with a long-term sham love interest. But after seeing the reality show, I know that ain't happening for fear that someone, somewhere, whom nobody knows, may have a fleeting thought that Scott could be gay. People can have that fleeting thought even when he has an official girlfriend, but at least Moirville covered every base. And we all know there's nothing more convincing than overcompensation.
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Other thoughts: when the reporter in the video above was all jolly about going home to "celebrate" two silver medals, it just made my stomach clench. Or my jaw clench. That is nothing to celebrate. I hate this "let's put it behind us/ and slap on a smile." The entire sport pro-actively decided to commit a sports crime. You don't make nice about that. This sport has a problem. People in the sport don't think it's a big deal. Everybody wants to enable this. But it's flat out wrong to "move on", IMO.
While trying to find a way to put those Skating Skills videos in the draft post (I'm breaking them up but still having trouble both embedding from my own photobucket image host AND uploading), I keep seeing large segments of the program Meryl and Charlie performed in Sochi. Not only does it suck as a non-skating package of bullshit, but they didn't deliver it well. They were incredibly, incredibly sluggish, and none-too-steady on their feet.
So even if the competition were a form of performance art where teams present choreography while running around on blade flats executing random strength moves, Davis White didn't do it well. They wobbled and hesitated throughout, and had trouble covering any ice even when they intended to cover ice.
I want to say something about David Dore as well. This is, of course, only speculation. But when I focused on him in an earlier post, I was not saying he sat on his ass and let this happen. I was saying he's the guy responsible for this, because who else would it be? Cinquanta who knows nothing about figure skating? It's Dore. He put this in motion. It was his call. And there's a reason Skate Canada cooperated, because Dore goes way back with all of those people.
P.S. Dear God, I just listened to some morning interview and it can be lifted 100% from freaking 2010. I think Tessa's implying she's got a bf while Scott implies he broke up. Did they just take this from Ben Mulroney's 2010's book promo?
Did you try the veoh videos OC?
ReplyDeleteI only now saw the comment with those links - I'll give it a try.
DeleteIf it doesn't work I'll have to test drive the post live. Some non-youtube embed codes now work differently where what appears to be simply a link in a post becomes a full on video when clicked, and I can only test that live.
Okay, I have one last problem. The post was ready to go, I even clicked publish twice. But, and I've checked this repeatedly, the Davis White embed actually embeds Virtue and Moir's video. And Virtue and Moir's video embeds Virtue and Moir's video.
DeleteDavis and White's video is the lynchpin of the entire post. When I copy the embed code, making sure Davis White's video is still the one playing (as veoh goes to the next when one is done) and I paste it in the blog, it says it's Davis White. When the embed loads, the slug along the bottom says Skating Skills Davis White. But the video itself is Virtue Moir. The embed code is captured from the frame below the Davis White video.
Basically we have two Virtue Moirs - one from their video with their name/title slugged across the bottom.
The other from Davis White's embed code, showing Virtue Moir but with Davis White slugged across the bottom. It's crazy. I hate to ask, but can you possibly create an account with a different name, so Davis White's video is the only one being hosted, and see if that makes a difference? We're so close here.
P.S. I'm uploading it to a new veoh account so fingers crossed that will do it.
DeleteAre you embedding it as an "embed playlist" option, if that's a thing on Veoh? I know I've sometimes run into that problem with YouTube, where the video just goes to whatever was uploaded most recently in the playlist or by the user, rather than the video I intended to embed.
DeleteOh, just saw your message now OC. Hopefully that has worked out for you, but if you need me to try something, just let me know. I'm happy to do whatever, I just appreciate you getting my vids out there :)
Delete8:21 - I don't see that playlist option. Also, I only have one video on oycanada's veoh account, which is the Davis White video, so veoh must be picking up VM code somewhere from the original dailymotion video that was downloaded by me and then put up on veoh.
Deletecanadablue, if there's any way you can test this for yourself, see if you can embed it somewhere and have it embed Davis White (or see if, as with me, it still embeds Virtue Moir), before trying anything else. I'll try to upload it somewhere else later. For now the post is up with a link, and the Virtue Moir video is embedded.
Failing all else, I'll revert to cutting it up.
Ok, so... I can embed both my copy and your copy of D/W and they both play as D/W. No idea what might the issue on your end... is this something where clearing cache or something makes a difference? That's so bizarre.
Delete(Also, if you do decide to keep any videos live on your accounts, if you could just note in the description they're by me, just so if people find them independently in search results, they won't get us mixed up.)
That is bizarre. Let me try a few things and then when I get the embed that works, I'll add the description. Actually, I'll add the description before that, as it's already linked.
DeleteI want to comment on a few things in this post, but I don't have time right now.
ReplyDeleteI did want to share this though: https://twitter.com/sweetkeet/status/443818467007811584
Patterns!
It's so exactly like last time it really makes me wonder about retirement. I think they'd love to stay in, as I and others have said before, but the sticking point is they're not allowed to win over DW. What if DW stay in?
DeleteI don't know about personal strains but that would piss me off, if a team that was handed the gold, versus earning the gold, stayed in because they wanted to be handed more things they didn't actually earn. Whatever DW think about how this went down, whatever the rationale, they have to know that Scott and Tessa are the superior skaters and dancers, overlooked what's set down explicitly in the rulebook, and just convinced themselves what they delivered was worthy and what the judges wanted - even if it's nowhere in the rulebook and, in fact, the opposite of the rulebook.
12:09, I swear whenever VM are scheduled for an interview they must give out a list of bullet points that *must* be covered and one of them is relationship status/*all your fans want you to be together....*
DeleteThese talks have not deviated one iota since they were teenagers. Many of us have said on various public platforms we wish they would SHUT UP. Please just talk about the skating. But no, they have to hit us over the head with how the fans are dumb. I wish this topic would go away already. I hate the constant harping on the platonic wonders of their uniqueness. They already did a seven-part reality show that jammed that down our throats. Wasn't that enough already?
"Wasn't that enough already?"
DeleteNo. It wasn't.
"Please just talk about the skating."
DeleteI wish fans would stop asking this, because it isn't going to happen. Ever. V/M are not interested in talking about the skating. No amount of begging is going to change that.
And Etalk isn't interested about the skating either, it's a match made in heaven.
DeleteFINALLY! I'm finished reading your blog!! I was only ever marginally interested in figure skating and Ice Dance was never on my radar until I saw Tessa&Scott perform in Sochi! They blew me away. For some reason, also, when I watched DW I just didn't like it, although I never knew specifically why.
ReplyDeleteAll this to say, "thanks!!" I could live without the swears but I am glad I understand a sport now that I truly enjoy watching. I'm even more ticked off than ever though about DW winning---I still wish there was a way to draw attention to this OGM heist though,,, ideas?????
And while it's utterly distasteful how VM deal with their public vs private lives, I am very happy to hear that they are indeed married with a kid. I can't help but feel that it would e an utter waste for all that "chemistry" to also be a sham!
There's no way to draw attention to it if everybody who counts refuses to see it, and that's what we have now. The media that covers it functions more like groupies than actual journalists; I think that extends to the skating as well. Of course if they troubled to educate themselves, then they wouldn't have to look at the protocols or listen to spin; they could look on the ice and see for themselves exactly what happened here, and how galling it was. DW did the exact opposite of what the rules required to receive the scores they received, and, on the day, did the exact opposite quite poorly.
DeleteThe only way, IMO, is to make the rules about ice dance, and examples of what actual skating looks like and what the ISU SAYS it should look like, available on places like this. And maybe at some point, on bigger places, so there's no excuse to pretend it's beyond the grasp of the casual viewer. But I think those in the media and those in the sport will ignore what fans are doing for as long as possible.
"The only way, IMO, is to make the rules about ice dance, and examples of what actual skating looks like and what the ISU SAYS it should look like, available on places like this."
DeleteThis is admirable, but pointless. At the elite level, the rules are bullshit, and have always been bullshit.
The rules are helpful at the club level -- for skaters who are learning to skate and will never amount to much.
Things have always been different at the elite level, primarily because the elite level is populated by the extremely rich who are used to having rules bent and things go their way by throwing money around. It's about games, politicking, and in the case of the former Soviet Union, straight up politics and favoritism, in the vein of whoever makes the USSR look good will succeed.
This is the group that runs the ISU, and is at the top of figure skating. These people DO NOT WANT TO abide by any rules. These people ARE NOT USED TO abiding by rules. Nothing will change that.
What makes figure skating different from other judged sports that are similarly populated by the extremely wealthy is that it receives a disproportionate amount of attention every 4 years at the Olympics. Every other time, it's nothing but an extremely small group of people playing rich people games. Yet, because it receives a crap load of media attention every 4 years, it is worth something big monetarily. All the more reason not to follow rules.
Nobody in the ISU cares if people expose them for not following the rules. 4 years from now, skating will once again be the marquee event of the Winter Games, just like it is at every Winter Games. It will never be thrown out. Maybe they'll be another scandal, but all that will happen is another cosmetic change that is totally meaningless.
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DeleteDo you mind if I ask how you were convinced that what you read on the blog is true, as far as Tessa and Scott's private life?
I don't ask for myself--I believe they are married and have a child.
I ask because I've seen quite a few say they have read the blog but they still regularly throw a fit about how difficult it is to believe, or the blogger is downright psychotic, or for some other reasons they strongly resist accepting what is said here. How come for you it apparently was so easy?
It wasn't easy. But in light of the information when I watched various videos of their skating, interviews it just seemed so obvious that they love each other deeply. I've never watched the show but it's so fishy the image they try and portray when at every moment Scott always tells Tessa he loves her, kisses her, touches her....like, really? It truly is how they act "off-ice" (or on ice when they're not in the midst of their programs) that is convincing.
DeleteMaybe the best place for the vids and ice dance discussion would be twitter replies to dancing with the stars, so dwts followers can see how bad D/W really were in ice dance.
Delete@6:01, I think that's a brilliant idea.
Delete5:08, I don't buy it or we'd have had Olympic golds awarded at this level of egregiousness before, and we haven't. So no. The sport is loaded with the entitled and "the rules are what I say they are" that's no secret. However if the media were able to look at a figure skating program and see L4 called for blatantly nonL4 execution, and if the media were to bother reading CoP and then comparing it to what's actually done on the ice, as many fans have done, then no matter how elitist figure skating may be, they couldn't simply say tough shit to the sportswriters who pointed it out, and pointed it out with confidence, the confidence that came from knowing what they're talking about. Writers don't do it now - they hunt for conspiracies or corruption off ice instead of looking at what's on the ice and are led by the ISU or their sources along an east/west divide. A lot of this becomes more challenging if sportswriters only need to look at what's on the ice.
DeleteSecond, this Russian stuff. It was Russia that got shafted in pairs in 2002. And it is Russia that felt it was shafted in men's singles in 2010. Yes, Russia self-served a great deal in this Olympics, mostly in the team event, and in ladies (although Yuna didn't deliver a slam dunk).
Accountability isn't simply something a bunch of rich people in a sport decide applies to them or not. It does NOW, because in figure skating it's entirely voluntarily, so figure skating opts out. It's not something figure skating will have a choice about if the media becomes more educated OBSERVERS about what's going on on the ice and writes about it. It's not possible.
BTW - thanks, and I want to mention that it's amazing you better understand ice dance just by reading the blog. The entire effort to look at the actual skating is ad hoc, with generalized efforts by this blog and much more rigorous efforts by other people via links and quotes, and still, in a read through you understood the sport. You didn't take a seminar, buy a book, or study video months on end. It's not difficult. You were able to do it just following what's here and linked/quoted here. How come the media can't learn?
DeleteIf the media knew enough to ask why we can't see key points and other TES at the proper angle in a replay, that would make a difference.
DeleteWe can see relevant angles in every other legitimate sport, multiple relevant angles - and the sport survives the fans who complain/disagree.
Besides, an edge is flat or it's an edge. Just like the ball is in or out. Even where it's so close it's hard to make a ruling, nobody worries too much when a line call is very close - the sport survives. Of course, the referee in tennis, for example, has a name, and if one particular refereee is constantly calling Player A's close-calls in and Player B's close calls out during the course of his or her career, that might be a problem if tennis were as corrupt as figure skating.
There's no legitimate reason to not have transparency, including allowing the public to see the edges from the angles the judges see the edges.
You know, the Finnstep at the Olympics would have been the ideal time for the media to inquire about that. If THE GUY WHO INVENTED THE THING! was saying VM were better, and the protocol is saying DW were better by a level, and the level is based on a key point being hit and there are specific criteria to that key point edge, why couldn't the Canadian press put pressure on the ISU to have a technical specialist explain alongside slo motion video why the call was correct?
DeleteWith that said, I understand that the GOE is another ball of wax. I even admit it's possible that Meryl hit that edge and Tessa did not. Nevertheless, VM should still outscore DW on that element because the GOE is based on pattern, flow, edge quality, control, posture, closeness, timing, etc. And they should outscore DW on all of the other elements by a country mile, not to mention the PCS...
So even though focusing on just that one key point wouldn't tell the whole story, it's telling that even then, the ISU could not even produce the key point.
Telling is the mot juste, that's for sure.
Delete2:49 a real sport would do what you describe. All real sports do it.
It would also be helpful if the media inquired further up the feed chain. At the moment it's skaters, coaches and more spotlight hungry officials that get asked questions. However, when a team such as Virtue Moir mentions that they've heard through some vague, cryptic network that they should alter a move (as has happend late in the season in every season including Olympic season 2010), then the media should be a bit more persistent about finding out the root of this suggestion and asking how come only now it was brought to the attention of the skaters, and why wasn't it looked at when the element was competed internationally. I know that opens a whole can of accountability worms, but nothing's stopping the media from doing it but their own laziness/complacency. Nothing compels a David Dore, for example, to answer an inquiry, but a journalist could certainly report that inquiries went unanswered or received a boilerplate response.
DeleteIOW, who the hell is "they"? In one of their current interviews, the interviewer tells Virtue Moir that in ice dance, as long as you're still in skating (competing, coaching, whatever) you can't say "we were robbed"* because "they'll" make you pay.
DeleteHow come we never hear who "they" is? The judges? The unpaid dozens/hundred of insufficiently trained judges are networked via email alerts for whenever someone bitches out the scoring so which ever number of them is assigned to VM panels going forward, ever after, they know to make them pay in the scores?
The hierarchy of events is a little vague, and for some reason, the media seems to think that's just fine.
LOL at Doris. If she is studying the lifts so carefully how did she miss that Charlie has been rocking like crazy on his blades all season in the lifts, Meryl has struggled with her positions and diamounts and didn't that ice dance blog show that Charlie also stopped his rotation in the combo lift but the tech panel just ignored it? Oh yeah, here it is:
ReplyDeletehttp://icedanceanalysts.blogspot.com/2014/02/reviewing-top-two-finishers-in-free.html#comment-form
Funny that Doris calls Scott out on this mistake but fails to mention that Charlie did this...oh, that Doris.
That icedanceanalysts blogspot is so freaking fabulous. I don't think I linked the break down of how blatant flats by Davis White were ignored and marginal edges with Tessa were deducted. The isolation of the moments in question takes a ton of work. I'm going to link it - maybe I'll link it with a screen cap above so it will get more hits. They are doing exactly - exactly - what needs to be done by fans of this sport. I wonder if any media will ever bother to look, or if it's too much like work.
DeleteOC, they did an entry on turns with gifs of a bunch of the top teams...VM, PB, IK, WP i think...anyways, DW were included and you can see how much weaker their turns were than the other teams (someone here linked to it and commented how Meryl was practically squatting). I always figured that DW at least deserved to be on the podium, but when you see the skating broken down like it is here and at the ice dance blog, and in canadablue's videos, it is really difficult, no impossible, to make that claim.
DeleteOf course many people in that thread are ignoring the skating and just looking at the protocols (Doris loves to do this). At least someone pointed out that DW did make mistakes throughout the season and just weren't marked down for it. Others keep tossing around the whole 'Shez was way better than Seasons, so DW deserved gold'. How was it better in skating and dancing terms? Everything comes down to this intangible 'style'...something people can't really explain beyond the 'team A was better than team B'.
Here is one: "To me, the difference was that D/W kept on changing things up and working to improve and presented something fresh this year. Tessa and Scott appeared to decide that a repeat of 2010 with another romantic program would be enough. It wasn't."
Oh, so that was it. Okay. Forget the fact that Shez is a rehash of S&D...okay, the rules must say somewhere that teams are not allowed to do something similar in style to a previous FD. Forget what they are doing with your actual blades and with their bodies...it all comes down to looking "fresh".
So I don't know the main media outlets in Canada, and maybe it's just that these are the kind of shows that anyone in their position would do, but I think it's funny that they're doing the same old e-talk, Jian Ghomeshi, and Strombo stuff. Makes me wonder if they are especially sham-friendly, in the same vein as how they continue to use Myra Klarman.
ReplyDeleteIt's funny to me because being American when I read about their upcoming appearances, I'm like - oh yes, etalk, that's the one where she was pregnant and made a snowman and they were wearing their wedding rings! Oh, Ghomeshi, yes, she was adorably pregnant there!
I remember the rings but are you sure those were their wedding rings ?
DeleteIIRC Scott wore this ring for quite some time before he suddenly stopped. And he always wore it on the wrong hand ( though that could have been deliberate ).
Somebody on Tumblr was on the Strombo show and posted some things she could remember.
The most relevant would be this bit :
" Likely to be married in 12 months? Tessa: “Him!!” Scott: “NOOOO. She was pointing to that guy.” *points to a guy in the audience* "
http://girl-wonderful.tumblr.com/post/79401481384
Does that mean we're in for a big surprise regarding the sham and this is just the calm before the storm or was Tessa just trying to be funny ?
Who knows. But it's just like Tessa to push that at Scott. Sure. Your husband will be married in 12 months. Why not.
DeleteAnd she must be re-accessing her reality show persona. Bad daughter, bad friend, bad blah blah blah.
I assume Tessa approved of the questions before and that she wants to tell the world that she wants to meet new people and that this does not include Scott because he's getting married and is therefore out of the picture.
DeleteCynical old me is just like, "get ready for sham overload" after all these interviews. They did a Q&A thing for each other (i.e. what the other's answers would be) and they pretty much got everything right....yep we know each other backwards, but we have soooo much trouble connecting with each other *eyeroll*
DeleteThis is exactly like after Vancouver/Torino. She was pregnant, they went around having a great time together in joint appearances, talk shows, hockey games, promotional ventures, answered questions galore (and did the Calgary stampede). All very affectionate and never left each other's side in public. Then BOOM - relaunched Jessica, and with a vengeance.
DeleteThose of her who knew Tessa was pregnant actually thought the togetherness was a preface for a reveal, because who knew these two would go through the entire pregnancy pretending to be single and in a relationship with other people. Now we know better.
Apparently Scott said in an interview this morning that he was "on the outs of one" [a relationship]....are we going to get a new beard? Or are they finally going to come clean?
DeleteIf he presents a new girlfriend ... where was he supposed to meet her ? Cassandra was in Sochi as the official girlfriend, though hidden most of the time. So once Scott got off the plane he immediately jumped into another relationship that is already committed enough that he'd speak about it publicly ?
DeleteIs that why he needed two condoms ?
Does Moirville even keep track with their own timeline ?
Fine, Tessa and Scott have already forgotten that they are strangers who never ever would spend time with each other off ice but they couldn't have possibly forgotten about Cassandra traveling to Sochi.
I have no hope for them. They just keep digging themselves deeper.
At this point I don't even care if they ever come clean as long as they quit throwing fake girlfriends at us.
And Tessa said the programme they were choreographing for their upcoming tour was "like their baby". And on it goes.....
DeleteThey're always asked about dating. Fans want you to date. That's not really what fans who say those things "say" - at least not going by twitter. Those fans say "Tessa and Scott should marry and have babies." Or "Why aren't Tessa and Scott married with babies." Funny, the interview never says "Fans want you to get married and have babies." Never. It's always "dating."
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"This is exactly like after Vancouver/Torino. She was pregnant, they went around having a great time together in joint appearances, talk shows, hockey games, promotional ventures, answered questions galore (and did the Calgary stampede). All very affectionate and never left each other's side in public. Then BOOM - relaunched Jessica, and with a vengeance.
DeleteThose of her who knew Tessa was pregnant actually thought the togetherness was a preface for a reveal, because who knew these two would go through the entire pregnancy pretending to be single and in a relationship with other people. Now we know better."
Speaking of after Vancouver/Torino, do you think it's just like it down to her being pregnant?
The timeline for the Jessica-Cassandra transition was a few months. After Worlds 2012, it was dropped that Scott had a jacket from a "former" girlfriend. Since he'd had only one official "girlfriend" since 2007, this meant they were telling us Jessica was "former". The change in her fb relationship status, the cessation of rotating Scott on her profile page, and, most of all, her presence at the Cody Hay/Anabelle Langlois wedding without being Scott's "gf" there confirmed all of this.
DeleteThis next part could only be seen in hindsight. In August, Cassandra Hilborn joined twitter. She commenced cryptic tweets about the amazingness of some wonderfulness coming into her life. In November, on a platform I can't remember, Scott exhorted people to donate to "M'Ovember." Although Moirs and other Ildertonians were on the list of contributors, at the top of the list was the name "Cassandra Hilborn" ($50.00). Concurrently, Cassandra Hilborn's profile photo became on of her and Scott, semi-holding hands and not looking into each other's eyes. It was a little blurry.
So, if we can remember when the "designer jacket from a former girlfriend" aside was dropped (it's on the blog somewhere) and know the timeline between that and Cassandra's tip-toeing into twitter in August followed by Scott's dropping the other shoe in November, we know he tends to take time for a new relationship to develop before sharing it with the world - a few months at least. Cassandra, OTOH, doesn't seem to have a problem with an overnight "Scott out/This guy "in".
Very interesting info, thanks 9:51. I do admire those of you who can keep track all of this information and spot the trends, and figure out what was relevant that may not have been obvious at the time. I wish someone would make a big timeline of everything with screencaps of all the facebook (like what OC does but all together in one place).
DeleteIt seems like the "breakup" was timed with the end of the skating seaso, and Cassandra's debut in August was timed to prep for Skate Canada that fall... but with VM unlikely to skate next season, I wonder if they will bother with that same pattern... not sure if that means his new GF will show up earlier or later.
10:02, 9:51 was me, oc - I forgot to manually sign off as I'm not logged in.
DeleteTo me the break-up was both timed for the start of the season (as usual, because even prior to Vancouver the sham would often lie low during the summer) and to give Scott a plausible amount of time to develop a "hot and heavy" relationship with someone new. It's not everybody who can give a highly promoted, publicized girlfriend the boot directly after Worlds and introduce the new squeeze five seconds later. Cassandra "seems" to be doing it,but that's not the MO of the sham itself.
Summer is when fans traditionally get their hopes up. (Back when fans had hopes, which has been at least five years) For example, in 2009, Scott and Tessa golf together all summer. They only go to London to see family and friends. "Maybe" Scott and Tessa will follow in S&P's footsteps and end up married some day. They're excited about TEB because just being in Paris gets them excited and happy. Tessa likes to take walks in Paris holding hands with Scott. They have a very special relationship. Their Mahler free dance characters are in love and happy and "it definitely came naturally." and so on.
In September - just watch Jessica's new fb profile shot load. OMG - it's her and Scott on the beach in the Dominican and he's on top of her!! OMG!
And that photo had been taken the previous May. And saved up.
That's how they do it.
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Is Tessa pregnant again?
DeleteI don't think they intend Little Moir to be an only child, so we'll see, I guess. It would definitely be like them to try to pull the same thing off, and it would be exactly like the media to enable it. I think this time people might be watching differently though.
DeleteMaybe my eyes are just playing tricks on me, but I thought compared to last week, in video and photos from appearances this week, she looked a little thicker and her breasts larger. Both of those are some of the earliest pregnancy symptoms. In one of the radio interviews this morning, Tessa made a comment about how the ex number they're choreographing for themselves is like their little baby. It's like the sibling (pun intended) of Scott's comment about Seasons being part of them like a child. Little Moir isn't a baby anymore. Last week, Scott was saying he didn't feel quite like they were done, and this week they're sounding quite retired.
DeleteI suppose time will tell if she is or she isn't.
I haven't scrutinized.
DeleteI don't think they feel they're done either - but it depends on whether or not DW continue or not. Again, there's no point in VM continuing if DW continue - every year DW will win the GPF and Worlds and 4CCs - and now, every segment of all three.
Which, if one wants to second guess, would be an additional reason to schedule another pregnancy for this time, if they haven't already. They'll sit it out during the pregnancy, skating until the last moment as last time, and then it's up to DW to continue without them or not. I suppose DW could also return for 2015-2016 but how much of a guarantee do they have that they'll win as long as they're in the sport? To infinity?
As to DWTs, I used to watch it a lot. It used to be storyboarded, but the storyboard would be reactive to the viewer vote combined with a reasonable amount of dance ability. It's been many seasons since I've believed that. I think tons of agenda are at work including subverting the person who is the best dancer and getting the most votes, if that suits the storyline for the season.
My feeling is that Meryl and Charlie will both go through DWTs experiencing possibly the least amount of criticism ever aimed at any celeb not dancing with Derek Hough, and a great deal of hype comparing him to Baryshnikov and her to Anna Pavlova. And any criticism coming their way will be pitched at the pro not properly servicing the tremendous talent of either Meryl or Charlie.
My own theory is that Scott is torn - he wants to carry on competing but he is done with the sham. He's not even trying anymore. I don't think Tessa wants to go through another quad. They have made up their minds though - every time they get asked about retiring and Scott trots out the party line, Tessa's eyelids bat like crazy. She knows.
DeleteAnon at 1:02 pm - I think both will have a hard time retiring from competition because they both love to icedance. And let's face it if there was a pro-circuit with half decent money - they would be all over it. If I was them - I would take my time - enjoy Stars on Ice Japan and Canada, take a vacation and see from there. They don't have anything to prove.
DeleteYeah, what happened to the pro circuit? I fell out with figure skating after Lillehammer took a hammer to my heart.
DeleteMaybe when a couple wants to have private time they should say they're choreographing.
Delete"Mommy and Daddy are going upstairs to choreograph now sweetheart. Stay down here with Grandma."
I would love for the Japan Open to start including ice dance. That way, maybe VM could skate the paso SD plus an FD of their choice, along with a nice mix of pro and eligible skaters. I think there used to be a Canadian Open too. And Averbukh could start something in Russia.
DeleteIt would be so nice to see Domnina Shabalin, Dubreil Lauzon, and Lang Tcheryshev all doing that paso SD alongside Sochi competitors like IK, PB, WP, and CL... sigh.
For years people have been Scott's just going through the sham motions - but it never pays off. He gets bored or distracted, and then he re-invests. Tessa may harp on wanting balance, but considering what she says about herself is often 180 the truth, I think we are safe in speculating that she's as ferociously driven as Scott, and as dedicated to competing; as dedicated to ice dance. You don't compete weeks after you've had a baby if you're not. You don't up the ante every season if you're not. Don't be fooled by her. She's not x-ing off the days til she can eat chocolate, talk psychology and spend six months in Italy or wherever. She's as much of a zealot as he is; more. More often than not, he's the one telling her to have perspective.
Delete"Mommy and Daddy are going upstairs to choreograph now sweetheart. Stay down here with Grandma."
DeleteHAHHAHAHAHAAHA
Based on Cassandra's now public-instagram, it definitely looks like her photo swtich in her profile shot was bait. Get fans leaning in one direction, the better to make a deeper ligature mark when you yank them in the other direction. It's no fun unless fans are stung.
DeleteWell to be honest OC - anyone who has followed VM over the years knows what crap they produce with social media, the reality show etc knows that their pr tactics are juvenile...
Delete"Well to be honest OC - anyone who has followed VM over the years knows what crap they produce with social media, the reality show etc knows that their pr tactics are juvenile..."
DeleteFor sure, their pr tactics are notably juvenile. What gets me is the malice that comes across. Why do they get off on having that kind of attitude? A desire to hide their real status should not automatically become a spirit of mockery and malice. I'll never understand the huge divide between the "real" people we see on interviews and who fans meet in person and these other personas who transform into something else entirely when it comes to anything related to their sham.
If you're talking about the mockery and malice you see on social media, that's probably being run by people other than Scott and Tessa, which is why the tone is different.
DeleteHowever, the general problem is one of compartmentalization. T&S treat everything so separately, as if what's done over here won't affect what's happening over there. Maybe they do that because that's how the entire figure skating culture operates -- like giving D/W a fake gold won't affect anything else that has to do with figure skating. It can be a totally isolated event. It's obvious though, that isn't what's happening.
@9:43
DeleteI don't buy that the tone of mockery and malice is Moirville and not Tessa and Scott.
Scott has been more than willing to pose suggestively (butt-grab and lip-lock photos) and act out sexually for National TV with a woman who is not his wife. He himself said the fans had to suck it up, "like it or not".
Sure sounds like Scott has a mocking attitude to me. Tessa obviously is on board with it, so she too has the same attitude.
I don't buy it either. Scott did a couple of things on fb that were cruel. It was done with a hasty, careless tone that was either deliberate or not - sort of a "hi bye gotta run catch ya later oops, where did the time go - see ya!" tone where 1) he announced that he was shutting down his personal fb because he didn't have the time, and directed fans to his "fan page", whereupon, right in front of fans he proceeded to keep his "personal" fb active, flushing out a whole bunch of fans but keeping some as well. That was asshole. Of course all the fans on this fbs or most of them know each other or each other's names, many of them pm or were in private communities, so that led to "Hey Rebecca - I'm deleted now - are you?" and Rebecca saying, why no, I'm still on the list. Maybe he just trusts me.
DeleteSeriously, why didn't he just do it, why did he go out of his way to be a dick?
The other was the infamous "Any ideas for a profile picture" gambit that smelled like Barb MacDonald, but even so, it's "his" fb fan page and his job not to have somebody be a dick using his name. Furthermore, how could ANYONE not see that was an asshole move? He later showed one candid to sort of make up for it, but that was all clean up duty. How the hell do you not see that's a jerk move unless you're a jerk?
As for Tessa, I have to agree that the woman seems like a perfectionist in lying. She absolutely can't leave it alone. It was so frustrating how, when Scott answered that she was his first kiss, covering the answer with excuses and caveats (I was ten! I was high on orange crush! My buddies dared me!) she STILL had to say "Oh, you count that?" Tessa, shut the fuck UP, for ONCE. Obviously he counted it. He bent over triple to be able to squeeze that in as his answer. He did NOT say "I fathered her daughter" and if you'd kept your mouth shot that did not = admitting that you had his baby. Jesus Christ woman.
Aussie Willy is once again showing their ass (and their skating ignorance); when one poster was questioning why D/W are getting Level 4 on SD keypoints they are clearly fucking up, this was their response:
ReplyDelete"They got level 4s because they did what they needed to do to get level 4s. It does not need to be perfect."
So I guess V/M should have hit the wrong edges, and they would have been awarded level 4 and +3 GOE. RIGHT.
http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?91689-V-M-D-W-open-discussion&p=4203890&viewfull=1#post4203890
That doesn't make any sense. Every other team needs to hit the correct edge to get their key point. That is the whole purpose of a key point.
DeleteAnd DW did not deserve +3s: they were slow, off time, with poor extension, shallow edges...and you don't have to have the same angle as the tech specialist to know that a flat is a flat. The pictures i saw showed clearly that they were on flats.
and how much longer are people going to pretend DW have skating skills that can compete with even the top 3, let alone VM? This is stuff we can see.
*meant to say Meryl was on a flat, not both of them
DeleteAussie Willy doesn't understand anything about skating. He/she always defends every decision the judges make in any discipline, because he/she seems to think it makes them sound smarter and above the average fan who complains about the result. Of course there is never any justification or reasoning, just "you don't understand how hard it is to be a judge and the judges know better than you." I mean even freaking Doris tries to make some faux-analysis based on protocols and wikipedia.
Delete"What they needed to do" - be Davis White.
DeleteThe level is attached to the key point. End of story. If your "imperfection" is you're not on the key point edge, then you shouldn't get the level.
I'm glad to see that judging training is so rigorous. They got level 4 cause they skated level 4 even though they didn't skate level 4.
Okay.
I know some people who have judged at the level AussieWilly does (novice) and they don't even understand the dances or steps that well. They are more confused than a lot of fans I know and aren't very good skaters themselves. A lot of people treat all judges as if they are very knowledgeable, but if you actually meet some of these judges and see them work and attend seminars, you will see that is not the case. Many of them don't understand what is going on at blade level and have really weak justifications. So I disagree with those people on FSU who say judges know better.
DeleteI've heard some hair-raising anecdotes about the lack of knowledge from judges in all of singles, pairs, and dance.
DeleteI think you have a situation where some of these people do know better and can take advantage of those who don't.
9:15 are the tests and certifications rigged so a judge can pass without actually understanding skating?
DeleteIt seems to me that at the very least "Follow the rule book" should be step one, but it looks as if the judges aren't even trained to do that.
Aren't seminars supposed to un-confuse people? This "sport"!
And what do you think makes someone like that want to be a judge?
oc
I've heard about international judges who said they didn't actually know the diff between flip and lutz.
DeleteSeminars are an effective form of propaganda. Use the team you want to win as the ideal, show examples from their skating to be what is required for +3 GOEs, and voila--you have judges who are programmed to see that team's technique as the standard. Imagine how effective this is for the really inexperienced judges from countries where figure skating is not very popular
DeleteAnon 10:16 am: "Use the team you want to win as the ideal, show examples from their skating to be what is required for +3 GOEs, and voila--you have judges who are programmed to see that team's technique as the standard."
DeleteIt's no coincidence that there was an American on the ISU's ice dance technical committee during D/W's "ascension".
There was some chatter that Marina and Igor "lobbied" the ISU to have the Yankee Polka and the Finnstep as the SD patterns because those would be favourable for D/W, but I find it hard to believe they would have that much clout, if any, to go DIRECTLY to the ISU (and why they would have clout over other coaches that are coaching US teams at that). BUT, I could seem them lobbying the USFSA, and then the USFSA lobbying the ISU via the technical committee.
9:56, oh my god. and so how do they see it to score it?
DeleteIt's not hard, particularly with replay.
They should just look at video of Sasha Cohen's lutz's turning into flips miles before take-off and then they'll learn that very advanced distinction between inside and outside edges.
10:14 - but where, in seminars, does the rulebook come in? How does someone use the favored team as an example of doing something well when they're not doing it at all and the rules explicitly describe the opposite?
Delete10:48 - I think Marina is a convenient scapegoat for all kinds of people who don't want to deal with the real problem, and because she's a water-off-a-duck's-back sort of person. Better to bitch that Marina should have designed VM's programs "better" (they were brilliant) than acknowledge no matter what program she'd designed for them, the rug would have been pulled out from under them and tripwires set for them everywhere. VM didn't get level 4s because the ISU decided they didn't - notice they didn't get +3's in GOE for execution that takes the ISU +3 criteria and ups the ante. But she's Russian. She's got gold medalists and world champions. She's not one of us even though she's been in North America for years. She has that accent.
DeleteIOW, blaming her is diversionary because she's not the problem. Look north, at the top of the pyramid, at Dore. When there's something this systematic working against the best ice dancers on the planet, when the ice dancer's own Federation is complicit in ripping them off, when after the result the ice dancer's own Federation is first in line to tell us to suck it up and even the High Performance Director doesn't care, and when the VP of the ISU is a former huge pooh-bah in Canadian figure skating, knows all the notables, has mega-influence, knows where all the bodies are buried and can swap favors like nobody's business, THERE's your problem. The ISU VP. Not Marina. It's top down. It always is.
That said, it wouldn't surprise me if some day VM decided to sell Marina down the river. On this side, you have the woman who has given Virtue and Moir everything they've ever asked for in a program, who has been their friend, who has both respected boundaries, and done them favors, too.
DeleteOn the other side you have Moirville and the ISC, and the Moirs who are coaches with Skate Canada at that regional level, and the Moirs who go back a generation and a half with the characters at Skate Canada, including David Dore.
The Moirs are no strangers to "the rules don't apply to us" OFF the ice (see the sham) so they might be in sympathy to a Federation that's corrupt, even when they have to swallow a bitter pill from time to time. They're inside Skate Canada. Marina may be a Canadian citizen, but to them, she's Russian.
Also, there's just the way VM appeared to be wired. The problem this past quad was Skate Canada enabling what the ISU did to Virtue and Moir. Therefore, Virtue and Moir will ultimately tell us it was Marina. It stands to reason.
What I am waiting for is for a DW fan to point to DW's program, section by section, and identify why it merited the scores the program got, and why, per proper technique and execution according to CoP, it's better than VM. IOW, let's see DW fans point to what's happening on the ice, with specificity, to make the case that DW are doing it at all, let alone doing it better than VM.
Delete^or they just can't
Delete5:29 - they're still doing that one? Spending half their time on fsu but still too busy, huge fans that they are, to simply POINT OUT where DW are doing it per CoP, better than VM? It's not parsing the Dead Sea scrolls. Just point it out.
DeleteAnd AussieWilly is a novice dance judge, which she made clear. Some people are misleading others by saying she is a dance judge, which many people will take to mean senior ice dance judge. Nothing against Aussie Willy, but her explanations are not exactly detailed, and she admitted to not understanding the key points of the Finnstep because she is not on the tech panel. so how can she say with certainty that DW did what they needed to do to get their levels? What is that based on, the assumption that tech panels always get it right and are always honest?
ReplyDelete"But some of us thought that D&W deserved to win as well and for me the protocols back that up. That is actually why I use them because it is all there on paper and you can see the break down of the result. The result was for my mind very close but I had no problem with the result based on what I saw and what I know about ice dance. However regardless of the protocol, I actually didn't have to analyse it too intensely to see why D&W won. They really skated their lights out and I couldn't find much fault with what they did."
ReplyDeletesomeone really needs to tell Aussie willy not to quit their day job
"Based on what I know about ice dance" means what? It is clear she knows she doesn't know, but is talking around it at every turn.
DeleteThat whole thread is a shitshow...the D/W ubers are making lame counter-arguments that the evidence is irrelevent because it is only supporting the POV of the V/M supporters. Seriously.
DeleteAnother is arguing that V/M should have gotten bronze behind I/K, without making the case in skating terms, and another is that V/M "didn't look hungry enough".
God, I hate this fucking "sport".
I read that judge's explanation, and I found it really vague...? I don't want to insult this person, but I don't see how that supports a win by DW. Someone skating "lights out" when they don't have the skills to match the other team does not or should not translate to a win for the first team.
DeleteI thought that thread would be good for discussion, but of course some people just turn it into 'VM fans are so biased/hateful/stupid'--great way to avoid the actual arguments. What a stupid thread.
and IK should have beaten DW (their FD is empty, but they are much, much better skaters and actually skate their program). I honestly don't think DW even deserved to be on the podium.
Let's pretend "lights out" - however any judge wants to decide that for themselves - is actual criteria.
DeleteDW were sluggish. Unsteady. Their elements - as dumbed down as they are to start - were small and perfunctory. Every move was perfunctory. They were often unsteady on their feet. They finished nothing. The unfinished moves appeared part of their drive to be constantly on the go, but they weren't going anywhere. They clearly struggled with speed, even with non-skating speed. They had difficulty running, hopping and stepping with any athletic power or attack. Their programs were a struggle.
How is that lights out. They didn't fall down? Charlie didn't drop her? I guess it's come to that.
oc
So true OC. And that other poster, also from Australia and volunteering for the Aussie federation, said DW were so clearly better, because they were having so much fun and VM didn't look like they wanted to be there.
DeleteI mean, even if that were the fucking criteria, what dance in all of Sochi was more joyful than VM's Short Dance?
So looking hungry, looking like they are having fun--that is the criteria? Were the skaters informed of this? That way they can stop practicing useless things like stroking, proper lifting technique, and learning to actually dance and instead focus on what is really important.
DeletePerhaps part of the problem with the judging is that people like aussiewilly do have day jobs and just go through the motions of pretending they have taken the time to learn the rules rather than treating it like a proper job and getting paid for what they have learned
Delete^^ This is why the judges need to be paid and evaluated on a regular basis; there needs to be accountability.
DeleteSurely, officials in other judged sports, such as gymnastics, diving and the X Games are held to a higher standard of accountability.
While I totally understand what 10:52 is saying and it's a legitimate point, my first thought is "You want to PAY them for this shit?!!?" Haha.
DeleteI'm of two minds about it, because while I can see how it would help, in a sport so rampant with cronyism, I find it hard to believe that the evaluations would do any good. I think they'd "evaluate" the judges the same way they "evaluated" DW's skating. Ok, your scores are all within the colluded, pre-judged PCS and GOE corridor - checkmark, you passed.
Yeah, if the jobs paid, then judging would become just another form cronyism and favor trading. Get this wife, cousin, kid, friend, connection on the panel and get them paid. It really isn't the answer.
DeleteThat Tessa and Scott aren't in touch with Marina right now makes me think they actually got snubbed and weren't invited to the Arctic Edge DW bootlicking festival in Canton.
ReplyDeleteIf they were they probably would have spoken to Marina and told her why they wouldn't attend considering that she has been their coach for ten years and VM claim how much they all love each other.
That makes no sense, number one, even if it were true.
DeleteNumber two, why would you believe what they said about anything?
My own pulled-it-out-of-my-own head idea is they rejected it because there's a limit to how much they're going to ratify this outcome. They won on the ice, the ISU gave someone else the gold - a team that didn't do it at all.
This Prancer person is basically deflecting discussion by saying that the judgement of GOE is subjective, when what they are really trying to do is shutdown ANY and ALL discussion. How freaking typical.
ReplyDeleteWell, you know, the FBI is constantly asking Prancer for our home address so they can come arrest us for casting aspersions on DW's win. But oh, no one from the DW camp has contacted them!
ReplyDeleteSo glad I'm not reading over there anymore.
Novice judge or senior judge, logic is logic and Aussie Willie is showing none.
ReplyDeleteHow do you need to be on the tech panel to understand the key points of the Finn step? Fans understand it. Fans can see it. A novice judge should be able to see it. Or don't say "they did what they needed to do" if you actually don't understand it.
ReplyDeleteAgreed that any fan can understand the key point. For some fans, they might need to be told when to look and what to look for, just like slo mo replays on ESPN originally taught me how to look for a flutz, and Tara/Johnny and NBCSN explained how to look for a UR jump. Once it's in front of you though, it's is the edge leaning this way or that way or is it flat...
ReplyDeleteBut we don't ever SEE the key points, because apparently that camera angle is only available for the caller's replay and it's not shared with the public. That is so legitimate of the sport!
All during this season, almost every time, when the team came around the corner for the first key point, it was blocked by the boards. That was the angle.
ReplyDeleteExactly - the public isn't allowed to see the camera angles. Because this sport is so legit.
such a shame tennis isn't as legit as figure skating, with extreme close-ups of line balls from various angles. Same with boundary calls in football and baseball - they never let us see it - except they do, from multiple angles in excruciating detail.
ReplyDeleteBTW, I just started googling gymnastics judging. I wanted to see how transparent it is. After all, gymnastics is also kind of arcane. We have music. Everybody at the top looks tremendous, can twist, split, flip in multiple directions on one hand or no hand - and more. They all look ferociously fit.
While I know gymnastics isn't immune from judging hinkiness, it turns out the sport itself goes out of its way to make training materials available - at least in N.A. it's falling over itself in the transparency department.
But the ISU posts protocols! Now we can see exactly how the scores were given and everything is fine! Oh, and we made the judges anonymous so they won't be pressured into holding to deals. Except that, you know, the ISU and the federation can still see who gave what score. But the public can't, so that immunizes the judges from pressure, yay!
ReplyDeleteThat never made any sense (that anonymity prevents deals instead of facilitating them). No surprise.
ReplyDelete"Dear God, I just listened to some morning interview and it can be lifted 100% from freaking 2010. I think Tessa's implying she's got a bf while Scott implies he broke up. Dear God - did they just take this from Ben Mahoney in 2010's book promo?"
ReplyDeleteYup. I've been thinking the same thing. Yes, Tessa and Scott are cute and adorable and all the rest but everything they're being asked and everything they're saying is EXACTLY like 2010.
The gall is incredible. They're a whole 4 years older, married and parents, and they go around giving answers that are practically inviting others to hit on them for dating possibilities. I don't think it's funny at all.
But what other teams get this? Volosozhar and Trankov get asked about their romantic status, but when they hedge, I'm not aware that Trankov is asked about fending off guys hitting on Tatiana, or Tatiana is asked who Trankov is dating and can he be hooked up.
DeleteIt's just asinine. What other teams get this? Most teams get asked about if they're a couple at least on occasion, it's a basic, then they move on. The interviewer doesn't get in there and wallow and start asking one part of the team who they think should be getting into the other's pants, or going on and on ad naseum.
They're never asked about the marriage thing though.
I listened to it with headphones so I could make out the words more plainly than I can through my computer's speakers. It sounded to me like Scott answered the "so are you both in relationships" question with yes. Then Tessa said "speak for yourself", and then there was a brief low mumbling from Scott about how at least one of us is, then an immediate backtrack to just being on the outs of relationship and it being hard. It was confusing to follow and I still may not have it right. I don't want to have to suffer through listening to it again.
DeleteSomeone put up a youtube video of just the segment where they're asked the dating question:
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-Lc6llGC54&feature=youtube_gdata_player
^you can tell, in that video how uncomfortable they were with the hosts hitting on tessa. you can tell by their faces and scott's body language.
DeleteScott was uncomfortable. Tessa was enjoying herself.
DeleteTessa never looks happier than when she's lying, it's really disturbing.
DeleteShe looks happy because she believes she's doing a bang-up job promoting their "brand." It's like she can act like she understands how "business" works by playing this game.
Delete"practically inviting others to hit on them for dating possibilities."
ReplyDeletePractically? Tessa asked straight up to be set up. Is it part of her vanity? "Look at me! I've got Scott so good I can fuck another man right in front of him and it'll all be good. I'm living the dream!!" You go, Tessa.
+1. I can see where Tessa is coming from though. Scott is too much of a pansy to be a real husband. What guy would have ever agreed to this sham, and let it run for as long as it has? I couldn't stand being married to someone so emasculated.
Delete"I couldn't stand being married to someone so emasculated."
DeleteI wouldn't put up with my husband acting out a sham for a single second. If he even suggested it he'd be out the door!
"I wouldn't put up with my husband acting out a sham for a single second. If he even suggested it he'd be out the door!"
DeleteWhat about if *you* suggested it? Cause that's what's happening here. Tessa is the one telling Scott to make out with these girls, and he's doing it. Would you stay married to a guy who would do something like this if you asked him to do it?
7:34
DeleteThis is where mentally, Tessa has to be pathetic and stupid. What woman in her right mind wants her husband to do such a thing?
There's something terribly wrong both with the woman for asking for this and the guy for agreeing. None of it shows love nor respect. It's very sad.
You're just not as secure in your husband's love 7:24. She really comes off like 7:12 said - I could stick a naked girl on his naked crotch and nothing would happen. All the ante upping she signed off on with the sham - it comes off like that. Go ahead Scott, lay it on her.
DeleteIt's humiliating, almost like making fun of him for his devotion. Not the intention, I'm sure, but when a wife escalates like this, it starts to look like mockery of the guy's dedication.
"This is where mentally, Tessa has to be pathetic and stupid. What woman in her right mind wants her husband to do such a thing? "
DeleteThe kind of woman who gets off by seeing her man humiliated? It's a kink, but not an uncommon one. Heck, in the case of Scott, all of Moirville gets off on seeing him humiliated, so Tessa's behavior is just par for the course.
To be fair, 7:12, Scott has been making out with someone else right in front of Tessa and they all appear to have a good laugh about it. It's Tessa's turn.
ReplyDeleteI'd love to see how Scott would like Tessa going through with it to the same extent he has. Let's have video of Tessa playing kissy-face on a sofa with some other dude. Or video that focuses on a hotel door/room number and then Tessa inside that door with the other dude, just to *make sure it's understood* Tessa and the dude have their own hotel room together.
Yeah Tessa, bring it on. And don't forget to wear the tight black jeans with the thigh holes. (For the record, I think these comments were offensive, but hey, Tessa and Scott thought it was hilarious.)
"I'd love to see how Scott would like Tessa going through with it to the same extent he has."
DeleteAll it would be is Scott crying but letting it happen, while Moirville would be agonizing over the possibility that everyone would think Scott is gay.
Wow - I guess we all forgot that it was Tessa who probably wanted the reality TV show before the Olympics...the bridal shoot...probably Tessa...the 2010 book...Tessa...all of the relationship talking points in 2010 and 2014...probably Tessa...
Delete"To be fair, 7:12, Scott has been making out with someone else right in front of Tessa and they all appear to have a good laugh about it. It's Tessa's turn."
ReplyDeleteThe difference is that Tessa is the one behind Scott making out with Jessica and Cassandra. It's not Scott who is the one behind this. I wouldn't be surprised if Tessa was in the room during the makeout sessions, controlling the camera and telling Scott what to do. It's completely pathetic.
"It's completely pathetic."
DeleteThis. A million times.
Just another observation with the barrage of interviews that were done last week and this week - I am glad these are out of the way because really these Toronto based media figures from ET Canada, etalk, Sportsnet radio, Off the Record with Michael Landsberg (TSN), that kiss radio interview...oieee...even George Strombolopoulos can be annoying...maybe now they can concentrate on their show programs....
DeleteAfter being private since it first appeared, Cassandra's instagram is now public.
ReplyDeleteWhat are they up to now?
To remind US that she still exists ? Or to show that she has a picture of Scott and Tessa in there even after the break up because no woman would ever be able to forget about Scott. Cassandra may have a new boyfriend now but of course he's just a distraction, in reality she's still pining over Scott.
DeleteWho knows what Moirville are doing. The entire Cassandra sham was horribly constructed, even the Jessica sham had more substance.
Moirville is already bored I see...we all know this winter has been long but can't these folks just find something else to do...
DeleteThe Jessica sham had more substance mostly because Jessica was also a skater with an identity independent of her connection to Scott. That identity was never referenced in any of the sham output - in the sham she, too, was just a pining Scott worshipper with no life when he wasn't around and nothing much to say about him except he was the best everything ever.
DeleteCassandra had no public profile, so when she first appeared it was as this London girl who also had nothing much to say except "he's here!" and "he's gone" - it was all he he he he he.
The girl doesn't seem to be on the outs of a relationship lol
DeleteI see V/M changed up their "rift" story once again. Now they still didn't see each other for two months, but talked a few times on the phone.
ReplyDeleteI suppose all of their defenders are choosing to ignore that lie, especially since there's photographic evidence V/M attended two events together during that time of the supposed "rift." But this blog is crazy for pointing that out. SURE.
I noticed that too 11:00 - what's with the going off script? And the "we spent four days apart since Sochi and it was so weird". And that was Tessa. I could get Scott forgetting because he's not even trying with the sham anymore, but Tessa is usually so much more in control.
DeleteThat's all part of her game. Tessa loves to bait and tease every now and then to get the fan girls excited only to crush their expectations the next time.
DeleteShe has been doing this for years now, it always follows the same pattern. Usually this happens before pictures of Scott and his girlfriend are " leaked ".
Wonder what they have in store this time.
If Scott really didn't see Tessa for four days and he spent all his time in Ilderton I would bet he posed for pictures with his new fake lover ( if they are really planning to introduce another one ).
Anon at 2:35 am - well the host Michael Landsberg is known to have verbal diarrhea and should be permanently on Ritalin..so I can see how VM can be thrown off here and there...and what's up with all these male hosts wanting to hook Tessa up...even Landsberg...all I can say is creepy...would any other female Olympian get the same line of questioning..I don't think so....hell any female hockey player would probably take her stick and beat the guy up and say - what the eff is wrong with you...jerk...
DeleteScott always changes that story. He's even said they didn't talk "for a couple of weeks there" at times.
DeleteAs soon as there's a pattern in their interviewing, we can't assume it's happening spontaneously. I remember in 2010 so many fans were going pretty much - why don't these interviewers leave VM alone about the relationship! Not realizing the relationship was part of the suggested material sent along when the interview was prepped. Here it seems as if VM or their people just pulled the exact same material out of the archives and pdf'd it to the outlet or show prior to the interview and that's why they sound alike. It's a form of pre-interview - they're there basically to plug SOI but then they have to have a few talking points, the host can't be expected to do his/her own research, so as it's a plug, the guest provides the topic, as in any pre-interview.
Notice the question isn't framed as "are you a couple" but "Now, you're not a couple but fans want you to be" or "You're not a couple, but how does it feel that fans want you to be." Never a straightforward question like - are you or not. And never what fans are actually saying, which is they should get married and have babies.
I guarantee just as the pre-interview stuff makes sure things like Tessa's dating life and hooking her up and blah blah blah are covered, there are also no go areas. I'd bet anything they can't be asked about specific web sites, like the blog, and can't be asked about the marriage/secret baby "rumor" (which has even been talked about on twitter), or about Petri Kokko saying they did the Finnstep better (which was retweeted a billion times).
So don't blame the hosts. Anything that repeats, including oh Tessa is hot and Scott has to handle it cause all the guys are after her - is coming from pre-interview material, not the hosts.
Photographic evidence that they attended two events together, and Marijane Strong telling a national audience that they were together in Tessa's London apartment the entire time of her recovery, working on their program so they would be ready when Tessa was ready.
DeleteSince Myra Klarman recently surfaced after what? six years - to tell us she don't know nothing about nothing about Tessa and Scotts' relationship except they told her they weren't dating - PHEW - I await Marijane Strong telling us one of these days that she was misinformed and confused Tessa and Scott with Dubreil and Lauzon.
OC - I agree that VM, specifically Tessa is providing the pre-interview material - and it is nauseating...but Myra Klarman's recent blog entry was bizarre...
Delete"That's all part of her game. Tessa loves to bait and tease every now and then to get the fan girls excited only to crush their expectations the next time.
DeleteShe has been doing this for years now, it always follows the same pattern. Usually this happens before pictures of Scott and his girlfriend are " leaked ".
Wonder what they have in store this time."
Absolutely right about Tessa. Girl loves to bait.
Whatever they're planning, I hope they launch it soon. Tumblr shippers are making me gag.
One of the VM tumblrs posted a quote supposedly from Scott's parents about VM's relationship. (http://tessavirtueandscottmoir.tumblr.com/post/79556555187)
ReplyDelete"They’ve built themselves a relationship that equates to a marriage. I think they’ll realize it next year when they’re not sewed together everyday. I just can’t see them taking off at two opposite ends of the earth after being best friends for years."
Uh-huh. Sure.
"Sewed together"? That is the weirdest analogy I've ever heard for two people who are close. Who says stuff like that?
DeleteAlma said that in the Show last episode
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