I've spent the better part of a week, blog-wise, trying to figure out what shape a post about fans, drunk Scott, fan whiplash and sham manipulation would take. A lot of fans who participate on this blog have watched VM for years, are familiar with their social media tactics, and yet every time the sham rattles their cages they react as if it were new. Some people claim it's the teen fans who fall for it, but I think those who are susceptible span the generations. The common denominator is that those who fall for it are addicted to virtual drama in many forms, are fandom-oriented outside sport, and, when their buttons are pushed, all common sense goes out the window. It's so lovely to see Moirville recognize this and play into it. It's so lovely to see the entire SPORT recognize this and play into it.
It doesn't even have to be Scott:
Fedor Andreev
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Jana/Fedor's photo shoot doesn't mean much; it was Marina's insinuations. Alas, the partnership dissolved before it could pick up any of Fedor's gentlemanly, clean-cut, vaguely antiseptic, trust-him-with-your-daughter romantic steam.
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This from a guy who had "Not sure" in his "sexual orientation" category on myspace. Guess he's made up his mind.
Some of those who went into hysterics after Scott rampaged through London on Victoria Day and Victoria Evening, snorting coke off sundry bar tops, sexually harrassing girls until he was thrown out onto the sidewalk and vomited into the gutter, apparently used to believe that Scott and Tessa were together. Sadly, Scott's holiday weekend debauchery confirmed for them that Scott and Tessa aren't together, and never were. It's always being confirmed anew. Knowing Tessa as we do, she'd never date, let alone marry, let alone procreate with this kind of degenerate:
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200....9? 8?
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I guess the difference between photo shoots designed for social media, and Scott's carousing on Victoria Day, is that fans understand the photo ops were staged, but unhappily concluded there was no agenda behind Scott's Victoria Day antics. Scott had no way of knowing his pub crawl with the lads would end up on social media:
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But, any day now, the i-phone will become a thing, and before we know it, somebody's going to invent twitter. When that happens, Scott Moir best watch himself.
For me, it's interesting that images seem to produce more anxiety than video. The reality show didn't send fans panicking into the streets. They were too busy shielding themselves from second-hand embarrassment. Images, OTOH:
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The Rift.
They know we know they know we know they're lying.
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Yet some fans think images are information. After four years (which is what it's been for what seems to be the majority of the fandom), I still don't get that.
P.S. - at some point, when I muster the will, it might be interesting to trace the origins of the Marina disaffection repeatedly asserted in the comments section. IOW, get down to, when did "you" (whomever you may be) first decide Marina didn't have VM's best interests at heart. Get right down to the first case, and see what it is.
It's absurdly entertaining, watching dumbasses selling their lies lead on a bunch of other dumbasses who buy the lies, because both sides apparently think they're smarter than the other.
ReplyDeleteThe willful blindness/arrogance is particularly epic.
It's how a bunch of seemingly educated individuals will accept the storyline that Fedor Andreev has spent years vagina hopping through the ladies of Canton but few people will entertain the notion he's gay as a handbag full of rainbows and his friends are helping him out by bearding for him in a few photographs.
It's how people will argue the notion of Scott Moir and Tessa Virtue being a (married) couple is absolutely unbelievable (even though anyone with eyeballs can see it and several people know it), but have no problem accepting that Scott Moir is/was screwing a girl with as much personality as a department store mannequin with whom he had zero chemistry of any kind on their reality show, or that Tessa Virtue willingly engaged in an affair with David Pelletier that destroyed his marriage.
It's why others will scream "TESSA VIRTUE IS NOT, NOR HAS SHE EVER BEEN PREGNANT" but will turn around and claim she gained weight (twice now!) due to eating excessive amounts of chocolate, even though she's a dedicated athlete whose weight has never fluctuated upward, the weight gain has occurred rapidly over a few short months, and the way she gains/gained it was/is exactly the way a pregnant woman does.
My only caveat with your assessment is I believe Fedor is helping THEM out. With Tessa, it's with the obvious. With Tanith, back when she was a glamorous underage teen-age ice dancer, fsu had fifty meltdowns over Tanith departing a competition banquet in the company of an over-21, non-North American figure skater. I would have to re-check the archives to see which one was meant to be drunk, but the conversation pretty swiftly went to statutory rape and calling Tanith's mom to task, and then escalated to calling the ISU a bunch of enablers of statutory rape. The next time Tanith's romantic life is even remotely in the public eye, it's as the (presumed) girlfriend of the irreproachable Fedor Andreev, son of her motherly coach. She segued onto Evan Lysacek and passed Fedor onto Tessa.
DeleteI don't think fans relate to, or understand what dedicated athlete means. If they knew, it would be hard for a lot of them to relate. They think Tessa and Scott would arrive at 4CC's 2011 unprepared for the free, but tell each other, spontaneously, "Oh, let's give it a try!" Olympic athletes have a mind/body connection such as few non-athletes will ever understand, but they also are objective about their bodies in ways few non-athletes will understand, and there's no room for a movie-of-the-week in either case. Likewise, smebody whose eating habits go to shit has a very different body than Tessa's body, skin, hair, energy and eyes.
What I don't understand is the sort of equivocating that's goes: Okay, maybe they have ONE kid, but no WAY she's pregnant again! Or, maybe they're married, but they don't have a kid!
Why these distinctions seem significant to those who make them, I don't know. As to no way they'd have a second kid precisely the way they had their first child, take a look at the photos above. Scott and Tessa haven't had a fresh idea since they started having sham ideas.
P.S. - re Fedor, I don't know what his aspirations are, and somebody who has no interest in/need for a beard at one point in their life may decide they require one at another point, depending on what professional sector they're looking to enter. But when Fedor started escorting his mom's star ice dancers, I'm pretty sure he was the one lending a hand.
DeleteBTW, I have no idea what went on with Tantih and the skater at the banquet, I do know FSU went over the top and got pretty crazed. What she ended up doing took her love life off the table, and that was smart.
"It's absurdly entertaining, watching dumbasses selling their lies lead on a bunch of other dumbasses who buy the lies, because both sides apparently think they're smarter than the other. "
DeleteThank you, totally got a kick out of it. What a perfect description of this blogger and yourself !
8:56 PM, wheeeee! Guess what? V/M are still married with a child (with another one probably on the way), no matter how much you come around here and try to (badly) mock the people saying it. That's the great thing about reality. It doesn't stop being reality just because you don't like it. So thank YOU for the laugh. Always fun to see someone fail in their efforts to shut down discussion.
Delete"Likewise, smebody whose eating habits go to shit has a very different body than Tessa's body, skin, hair, energy and eyes."
Exactly. I don't know how anyone could look at her weight gain and think it has anything to do with bad eating habits. That's not how people who let themselves go gain weight. They don't do it strategically and only gain it in very certain places that correspond with a normal pregnancy weight gain. There's also a lot of people being offended that her weight is even being addressed, as though it's some kind of attack on her character. Well, it would be an attack if the weight gain was a result of terrible health decisions, but that's not what it is. Somehow "oh look, Virtue and Moir are probably having a second child if the changes to Tessa's body are anything to go by, how wonderful for them" becomes something horribly offensive to people. No, horribly offensive would be for someone to say "Tessa Virtue let herself go by gaining ten pounds from eating chocolate!" Yet THAT is considered an acceptable thing to argue from this crowd. Mmm kay...
I know. Even though the blog knows Virtue and Moir are married, and knows when she was pregnant last time, and that they now have a daughter, some people can't process that and think saying "Gee, she looks and is dressing precisely as she did exactly four years ago at this time (only now she looks more like August-Sept. 2010), it's rude to say this, and much better to say fat. She's not some at large single ice dancer with an unknown personal life being targeted for speculation. She's an ice dancer who is clearly dressing strategically, IMO (love the belt and the open jacket framing only the center part of her torso, while the rest of her is concealed by the jacket and our eye goes only to the part of her body visible in the center of the jacket), exactly as she did the last time she was pregnant. She's married to Scott and already a mom.
DeleteThose who come here and attempt to mock the blog, to shut down discussion - and people want to shut down all kinds of discussion from the core subject to the discussion about skating itself - also pretend the blog is being spun by somebody or something, instead of knowing it for a fact. I do know it for a fact, as do others.
"There's also a lot of people being offended that her weight is even being addressed, as though it's some kind of attack on her character. Well, it would be an attack if the weight gain was a result of terrible health decisions, but that's not what it is."
DeleteI agree with the point I think you're trying to make, and I do think Tessa is pregnant again and that it's unreasonable to assume it's from eating too much chocolate. I just want to say, though, fwiw, IMO you are treading down potentially offensive territory. If she did "let herself go" by eating junk food, which I don't believe is what happened, that would not be a moral failing. Some female athletes do gain a lot of weight after some time off (for example, Natalia Mishkutenok after 1992), and that doesn't make them bad people.
" Somehow "oh look, Virtue and Moir are probably having a second child if the changes to Tessa's body are anything to go by, how wonderful for them" becomes something horribly offensive to people."
I wish we could speak openly like that, sigh. The reason it's offensive to people is that they have clearly set up a fictional world that shows Tessa is single and doesn't have a child. They have set it up that if a stranger says congratulations, the stranger is essentially accusing them of lying (which they are).
"If she did "let herself go" by eating junk food, which I don't believe is what happened, that would not be a moral failing."
DeleteThat was why I said if anyone criticized her for gaining weight because she decided to eat a lot of junk food, that would be an unfair attack on her character.
Ok. I think I misunderstood the intent of the comment. I thought you were saying if she had gained weight, that would be a character flaw.
DeleteIt could have been better worded.
DeleteOn the Marina Zoueva thing, I notice in some places there's a defending of Tessa Virtue's "the top teams are on par technically, after that it's about personal taste" comment. If it was Zoueva who gave that exact answer in an interview, those same people would be shitting bricks in outrage.
ReplyDeleteWhat, do they think the skaters are afraid to rock the boat for fear of ISU retribution or something, but the coaches aren't? That's rich.
tessa virtue isnt a coach though. she doesnt have the same responsabilities that marina has. its different.
DeleteNo it isn't. A coach doesn't exist independently of his/her skaters. Retribution for speaking out comes down on the skaters. That's why the South Korean fed said its fear for calling out the ISU was that its skaters would be given unfairly downgraded marks at competitions.
DeleteIf it was "different," as you say, fans would not throw fits about Marina Zoueva's comments "hurting" Virtue and Moir. They wouldn't care what she said.
So Tessa is definitely pregnant then? How are they planning on skating in China?
ReplyDeleteSeems to be the case. If she's not showing too much, I'd guess they'll skate just as they did the first time she was pregnant (during All that Skate LA, for instance, where she was somewhat showing). Just like elite female athletes can (and have) run long distance races, play Olympic beach volleyball, WNBA basketball, etc., when pregnant.
DeleteShe skated late in the game last time. Why do people think athletes can't perform when they're pregnant? They think the baby will dislodge?
DeleteI think there's a general misunderstanding about how safe babies are in the womb during healthy pregnancies, and how fit elite athletes really are. So some people think even being on the ice, doing footwork or rotational lifts, is simply too dangerous to do when pregnant.
DeleteIt's not anymore dangerous for an incredibly fit, pregnant ice dancer to do those things on the ice than it is for a non-athlete to walk down the street while pregnant. The risk is essentially the same.
I didn't mean for safety reasons. If they're trying to hide a pregnancy and she's already showing, it doesn't make sense to show up and skate a couple of months down the road.
DeleteI think it will be hilarious if she skates when very visibly showing because you know there will be people who pretend not to see it or claim, well...chocolate!
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DeleteIf a second pregnancy will show the same way as last time, then she's probably counting on getting away with it through clever dressing. Tessa really just ended up looking "normal sized" and most people will only see that. It's only certain fans scrutinizing things who can see that compared to what is normal *for her* she's looking different. I think to the public at large she just looks normal. So VM play with that.
She's one lucky girl that her body can hide things for so long.
Remember this comparison of TV from October 2010 (during pregnancy) to March 2010 (post-pregnancy)?
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That first shot is of a pregnant ice dancer. The people who screamed "bullshit!" about pregnancy instead claimed TV had simply let herself go, probably eating loads of chocolate or recklessly indulging in other things, even though she was regularly skating in ice shows (Stars on Ice) and training back in Canton. THAT is fucking insulting. TV is an elite athlete. She was pregnant, and it was highly visible despite the way her skating dresses were made to trick the eye and her luck at not developing a largely visible basketball-like bump that could be seen from all angles (at that point, anyway. Later on she disappeared off the public radar for two and a half months).
I'm not trying to argue she wasn't/isn't pregnant - I actually believe that she was. But that photo has always seemed altered to me, like it was squished down. Comparing the two Scotts makes it seem that way, also that neither appear to have a neck...
DeleteThey're both sort of hunching in that final pose. The photo was probably fit into the frame to make it the same size as the other one. Stretching the photo would not alter the way her body is shaped, of course.
DeleteThat photo is an untouched screencap.
DeleteScott and Tessa both have a habit of raising their shoulders. It's posture, not retouching.
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"(at that point, anyway. Later on she disappeared off the public radar for two and a half months)"
DeleteThat's not true. Tessa made a point of appearing in public in December, even skating in a show.
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DeleteYes, but that skating show was probably about a month out from what is widely speculated as the birth date (early January 2011). Tessa disappeared from the public eye during that month. Scott, however, made sure to be seen at a family holiday get-together and Jessica Dube dumped a truckload of photos of Scott supposedly having a grand ole time at the Dubes for Christmas and New Years. It did a very good job of keeping the focus off of Tessa at that time.
That's what these sham set-ups always do. They're intended to be a diversion from any focus on Scott-Tessa. Going by the fan freak-outs over any possible hint that Scott may be with some girl other than Tessa, I'd say these shams are getting the job done. Why would Moirville change any of these tactics? They seem to be working brilliantly.
...and then didn't show up again in public until mid-February at Four Continents.
DeleteTessa was hugely pregnant during that show in December. Again, no visible "basketball" shape, but the pregnancy was quite visible at that point.
DeleteAnd after that show, during the weeks that she disappeared, it's very possible she finally did get a visible basketball-shape bump. Who knows. What we do know is she was not seen in public at all till well past the first of January.
DeleteThe Winter Dreams on Ice show was December 18, 2010. They did a book signing the next day at a Costco. Tessa looked very, very pregnant, even though she didn't have a basketball tummy. The next we saw her was at 4CC two months later.
DeleteThe guess is that the kid was born around New Years, give or take a few days.
I still can't believe they did a show that late in her pregnancy but then that was probably the point, to do something people would deem impossible for a pregnant woman. It's quite clever really.
Delete10:54, Isn't it interesting there were no official VM photos from this event, no video. No one was supposed to take any but those two fans sneaked some video. Otherwise there would be nothing.
DeleteSince when do local celebrities do a major holiday event and there's a photo/video blackout? Since everyone colludes to hide something, that's when.
If you watch video of the show, not only is Tessa quite big (for her) but they are skating far slower and more cautiously than normal. Nothing super high impact.
DeleteThere was this: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3pvxbOQO91r5ashao1_500.jpg
DeleteThose pictures were put out several months after the show on the show's website, there was nothing in the media. That's not proof of anything, of course.
DeleteRight. I just think that photo is hilarious because hello pregnant lady in a huge sweater.
DeleteHi, I am relatively new to all these "off-ice" discussions about Tessa and Scott (and I do not really have a position on whether I believe them or not to be honest). Although I have watched Tessa and Scott skate for several years and have always been a fan of their skating, I have never been interested in their personal lives (I am European, so I haven't been following their media interviews nor promotional tours/events nor their tv show). I recently had to spend lots of time off work and I started reading a few blogs about them, including this one. This question will have certainly been asked before, but I'm interested in hearing your thoughts: I am sure you can keep a marriage hidden, fake relationships and build a certain PR image, maybe even hide a pregnancy, but how do you keep a baby hidden this long? How is it possible that there isn't a single photo of either family with a toddler (maybe there is and I have missed it?)? How are these parents training and doing shows for weeks after weeks and not one single waiter/concierge/hotel receptionist/neighbour/media/fan has ever seen the baby? Shouldn't the baby start going to kindergarten (I don't really know the Canadian system...)? Do the fellow Canadian skaters know about the baby? Sorry about all the questions...I just can't get my head around this point...unless the baby was given up for adoption! Thanks for your thoughts! Sofia
ReplyDeleteWho is to say not one single waiter/concierge/hotel receptionist/neighbour/media/fan has seen the kid and just hasn't felt the need to announce it to a relatively small group of skating fans on the internet? Or didn't realize the kid they saw was Virtue and Moir's? I doubt the kid wears a name tag that says "child of Tessa Virtue and Scott Moir."
DeleteI'm a fan of several athletes whose careers I'm quite familiar with. I could not tell you what their kids look like and if I saw them walking around with another family member out in public would have no idea who they are (nor who the family member is). Odds are, several of the fans who say things like "I don't think the kid exists, it's a lie!" have probably seen her at a competition or something and didn't even know it was her.
I don't understand why someone's existence should be questioned because one of the few people who follows her parents' careers has never seen a photo of that kid show up on social media networks. That doesn't make any sense to me.
I don't think a lot of people have any idea of the stuff that DOESN'T end up on the internet. You'd think the internet was a free for all where the personal stuff of public figures constantly went out on social media or public platforms without their consent. Very rarely does this occur.
DeleteI'd consider the different motivations. Those who don't know for themselves about Scott and Tessa and their daughter are eager for proof. Those who do aren't all that motivated to share the proof, because what's in it for them, would be one question to ask. Many people who know, know upfront. Didn't find out by any nefarious means. Why would they do something that outed them as untrustworthy? As we know, even when Scott pretended to be dating Jessica and she had that as her relationship status on facebook, fans still passed around the sham photos in secret. Why? There were hundreds of fans on Jessica and Scott's facebook. You'd have to be delusional to think the photos stayed inside their list of facebook friends. Yet the fans on those facebooks never put those photos in the public domain. It was secret flickr accounts, email, etc.
I'd also consider that much of the entertainment media, where they know the score (as Jian Ghomeshi must certainly know it by now, as Ben Mulroney must as well) have absolutely no interest in acknowledging the cut and dried evidence out there that Scott and Tessa are, for instance, lying about the "rift" they had back in 2008. They were on television together, they appeared at an event together, Marijane Strong describes them working constantly in "Tessa's apartment" together in London during her recovery. I guarantee you could email the last "journalist" who reported the "rift", along with links demonstrating that VM are lying, and it would be ignored. All of their coverage is p.r. It's not journalism and it's not news.
DeleteIt's just asinine reasoning.
Delete"If I haven't seen him/her, or someone hasn't seen fit to post about it on twitter, tumblr, or FB, the child obviously doesn't exist!"
Say what now?
^^^ That last post wasn't directed @5:35, by the way. It's a general criticism of the crowd declaring there is no baby because they've never seen any proof of it themselves.
DeleteTo elaborate, last year I had a conversation with somebody who learned first hand the actual sexual orientation of a much speculated upon famous person (not Cloony) because she went out with the guy's cousin, and the famous person still keeps a home in his home state, and still socializes with and celebrates holidays with his extended family, and has some family members on his payroll. She has access to family photos with the famous person and his same sex significant other, a person who is recognized by the media only as an occasional member of the famous person's extended entourage (no hint intended using the word entourage). These are not photos taken on the down low. Some are at private homes, but some are out at restaurants, for example. They're not getting down in public, but they look pretty coupled up in public. Where's the media? Where's the twitpics? Of course, they're not hitting up the restaurants where people go to be seen, but I'm sure the famous person is recognized, if not by other patrons, then by staff. I don't know if Scott and Tessa would be recognized at some basic restaurant that isn't a well known local haunt. This is a famous person who would be. But nothing. The relationship with the significant other is apparently longstanding.
DeleteThis person hasn't put any of this on the internet and never would, but has no problem talking about it once you're a familiar face and known quantity. They don't regale groups, and they don't re-publish photos in the public domain.
People just don't dump this stuff on the web. Even fans are squeamish. If you think that Scott and Tessa's child would be on tumblr, twitter, a public flickr, or other public access internet site, please mention another celebrity secret that was exposed the same way. The wedding, the child, the person they're cheating with. On the web. Not a tabloid deployed to dig it up. The web.
Either most famous people don't have secrets and are totally faithful all of the time, or their shit doesn't get put on the internet no matter who sees it. Waiter, fan, etc. But yet people think Scott and Tessa's would get put on the internet, just because they want it there. That's too self-referential a point of view.
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So I guess that's my point. When people say "Why hasn't ONE person seen the child, or someone who knows the child, put a picture where we fans can see it!" we never get the corollary, which, logically, would be. "Like when so and so checked into that hotel with somebody not their spouse right in front of staff and the photos hit twitter!" If people expect it of Scott and Tessa, that expectation must be based on experience. It must happen to other (minor) celebrities. And major celebrities.
DeleteExcept not so much. When it comes to the celebrity realm, most everyone works to validate the status quo, not blow it up.
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There is a public domain photo, taken a year and a half ago, of a child that is an absolute doppelganger of Tessa Virtue, especially when placed side by side with a photo of Child Tessa that was seen on the W network. There's no confirmation this little girl is Tessa's little girl, but the two photos look identical - Child Tessa and the little girl. I know a gazillion people have seen the photo, but nobody's putting it up and going - isn't it adorable that this random little girl looks EXACTLY like Tessa did as a child? Exact same face, features and facial expression? Nope. The photo gets passed around, but nobody's putting it out there, and how explosive is it? A child with Tessa Virtue's face and facial expression - so what? If you don't believe it's her daughter, then who cares if she looks exactly like her? People think Scott looks like all kinds of people, and people think Tessa looks like all kinds of people. Even though this little kid has Tessa's face stamped on her, it wouldn't matter to most fans, who'd reason it away (and again, no confirmation that's her kid). Just like they reason her "weight gain" away, and kisses as loss of control momentum in an element.
DeleteYet with all the chit chat, nobody puts that photo up. I'm not doing it. I don't know that it IS her kid, although, let's be real, and that's not the "proof" so what's the point? My point is, that pic gets around, and no fan has grabbed it and gone "hmm" - not on any public, all access forum. But people think they'd take the actual child, that they knew was the actual child, and put THAT in public for everyone to look at.
People aren't comfortable doing that. It's only people who don't know for themselves that wish it weren't like that and pretend it's not like that. It IS like that.
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There is no photo. Thats why no one is posting it. Period.
DeleteI've seen that photo, and again it's no confirmation that it's indeed Little Moir, but it is fun to also put that photo up against pictures of Scott as a child. IMO, she's mostly Tessa's doppelgänger, but there are a couple of features that are Scott--what few things that aren't Tessa on that child's face are Scott. Still, you put this photo up next to young Tessa and young Scott, and there are still people who would explain it away.
DeleteAlso, a big yes to your main point that this photo circulates but doesn't get posted publicly. A photo that someone knew for sure was Little Moir certainly wouldn't get posted.
"There is no photo. Thats why no one is posting it. Period."
DeleteThis kind of shit makes me laugh. "You didn't post it, therefore it does not exist! Haha!" Nope, try again. It most definitely exists, it's on a public FB page. It's not hidden. Feel free to go look at it instead of bitching and moaning in an effort to get someone to post it here.
"Just like they reason her "weight gain" away, and kisses as loss of control momentum in an element."
DeleteI still can't even...the kisses "are just the result of them getting too close in the choreography" thing is the height of willful blindness and idiocy. Of course, Virtue and Moir have perpetuated it but I have to wonder if even they thought "this is so stupid I'll be amazed if anyone buys it. But here we go: lip bumping! Happens to us all the damn time due to how close we skate, so awkward!"
I do disagree with 9:50's remark that the child has elements of Scott and Tessa in her face. When I first saw the photo, I thought maybe so. But once I saw the photo from the W Network of little Tessa in her hockey gear (a photo that the W Network misidentified as Scott), there was no doubt. It's Tessa's mini-me. It's startling. Not that many children resemble their parent that identically.
DeleteInteresting that the W Network identified the photo as one of Scott at first. I wonder if it's because of the hockey gear. Or if it was intentional gamesmanship. One piece of the gear directly relates to what the little girl is wearing, and highlights the resemblance even more emphatically, as the two girls, Tessa and the little girl, have near-identical facial expressions (which emphasizes how the actual face is also near-identical).
IOW, I wonder if they were playing connect-the-dots with the Tessa photo of and the photo of the other little girl, because, rest assured, they know that photo is there.
The little girl in that photo is definitely Tessa's doppelganger, especially putting the photo of little Tessa in hockey gear next to it. Tessa's brother chose to tweet that photo out in his birthday wish to her.
Delete"I do disagree with 9:50's remark that the child has elements of Scott and Tessa in her face. When I first saw the photo, I thought maybe so. But once I saw the photo from the W Network of little Tessa in her hockey gear (a photo that the W Network misidentified as Scott), there was no doubt. It's Tessa's mini-me. It's startling. Not that many children resemble their parent that identically."
DeleteIt's two specific features that are more Scott--the angle of the jaw line (although the chin is 200% Tessa) and the mouth (particularly the upper lip, not smiling). Try putting the photos of mini-Tessa, Tessa in the hockey gear (or anything from when she was little) and a photo of little Scott up next to each other (although any photo of Scott facing-forward and not smiling would work for the jaw line angle). I agree everything else is all Tessa.
9:29pm, I didn't know he did that, but the child is the spitting image. Which actually made me wonder, as I was making my comments this morning, if the kid isn't actually Tessa herself. Posted as if it's a contemporary photo, but it's actually a photo of Child Tessa that people were intended to mistake for someone who was a child in 2012-2013. It seems to me it might be the sort of thing they'd do.
Delete9:29AM - I wonder if the kid is Tessa herself, and we were just set up to think it was a contemporary child, and then - ha ha ha! They love bait. I'm not joking.
DeleteIt would be like them. This occurred to me after I brought up the photo in the comments section earlier today. Where the photo has been published. The report above that her brother tweeted it on her birthday. The two helmets (hockey and skating helmet) and near-identical facial expressions. Of all the photos that the W network showed, they showed one that was almost identical to the one we thought was a contemporary little look alike? The all pink outfit. And most of all, the bangs. Tessa is on record as "I'm never going to live down [the bangs]" she had as a little girl. Under the skating helmet you can see what looks like bangs. Tessa's going to give her own little girl bangs? The kid is being held by Santa and is the focal point of the photograph. So now I'm thinking we were baited to gasp and think it's Scott and Tessa's child, but it's actually a twenty +++ year old photo of Tessa.
If it is, and I'm leaning that way - more than leaning that way - she had her skates on and hit the rink long before her favorite story of having done so only at age six. We know Tessa makes shit up all the time. There's more than one pre-six photo of her out there on the ice in a skating helmet, so that's just a "sounds nice" story/anecdote with no bearing on when she actually started skating, looks like.
Another comment on the curling team's sponsors. I think we need to recognize the new normal. Hoaxing isn't illegal. I actually wonder if Roots had to do it over if they wouldn't go ahead and market Scott and his pregnant wife as two platonic bfff without batting an eye. Maybe a few years ago people would be squeamish, but Scott and Tessa have been trailblazers, the media has upped the ante time and time again, Scott and Tessa upped it with the reality show, and now the OGM curling team wants in. We're missing the boat. This shit is normalized now. As it's normal, why should legit sponsors shrink from being part of it? They have the narrative in place, which is it's our fault. That narrative has been reiterated over the past quad as emphatically as the narrative of DW's superiority was reiterated over the past quad. We've lived in defining deviancy down eras before, and it seems to me we're in one. There's too much power tripping satisfaction, too much reward in this shit, lowest common denominator though it may be. I don't think anybody's treading carefully, because there's no reason to. This stuff, we're basically being informed, is fine. It's normal. Nothing wrong with shamming, hoaxing, and marketing a married couple with a child as two single, platonic skating partners with tempermental tensions and personality conflicts.
DeleteNope, the guy standing to the left of the group is wearing a sweatshirt with a logo that was used in some Vancouver apparel. It's not an old photo.
DeleteAnd one of the other kids has a Raptors sweater on and they didn't become a team until Tessa was 6.
DeleteTo add to the comments of the child-who-is-mini-Tessa. The picture is embedded in an album that is present-day, not the 1980's. There is nothing about this particular picture, nor the whole album, that could possibly be from 20+ years ago. It's present-day.
DeleteI agree OC that the culture around VM has normalized hoaxing the public. Look how respected Olympians are jumping on board. Not just Lawes herself, but all the team surrounding VM. Ryan Semple and his friends (Olympians from Vancouver). All of Lawes' teammates. All of VM's skating teammates, etc. No hint anywhere that anyone would think it's unethical or even a mean thing to do. They all have to know the truth and yet it looks like there's nothing but favorable willingness to help VM spread their platonic narrative. The mindset is, "Yay! Where do I sign on to help VM with their hoax?"
They're all a disappointment. Not just VM.
Thanks everyone. One of the "drawbacks" if you want to call it that, is because I do know and have known for a long time that they're married with a child, I don't jump on every photo or piece of possible public "evidence" that surfaces, or audit it back to an original source to use as "proof", because I know independently and don't need public domain proof. But that means I don't remember or track back this stuff as much as other people might. When I saw the photo of the little girl I thought the resemblance was stunning, which it is (and also thought "there they go again" for putting it up with her as the obvious center of the photo), but I didn't mentally flag the photo credit and couldn't recall if I'd confirmed first hand that it's on the facebook page where it is. When I double checked it against the photo of Tessa in her hockey gear, the resemblance once again was so extraordinary I started suspecting it actually was Tessa (I've never looked at the rest of the album). The pink, the bangs, the face, but most of all, the expression on the face is uncanny.
DeleteIf people who claim this photo doesn't exist can't find it now, they're not just dyspeptic and irrational, they're lazy as shit. I think they need to go look at it so they can come back and claim it only marginally resembles Tessa, just like Scott and Tessa don't really kiss on ice, and just like ten ton pregnant Tessa skating in the holiday season is "slender."
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The media is normalizing it too, though, and that's worse. I understand a bunch of athletes occupying a very specific, self-referential environment not exactly looking at this stuff in -depth. But the media. The entertainment media are often groupies - look at Jian Gomeshi. But then there are actual sports "journalists" like Steve Milton who don't see the problem with actively enabling a hoax and marketing a lie to consumers. Does he see a difference between the figure skating public and the football public? Is a lie right or wrong depending on the demographic you're lying to and not whether something is true or false? It seems to me that ethics come down to "who is doing the scamming' - if it's "our kind" then it's okay. And who's being scammed? If it's people with no status - and you can't get a more disrespected demo than figure skating fans - it's okay too.
DeleteTruly disgusting.
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Well, I can't find the photo, and I'm not lazy. I just don't know where to look. Where is it?
DeleteI read this thread of comments and found it within 5 minutes. It's more obvious than you think.
DeleteThinking about it logically, based on all the clues in the comments above, it took me only minutes to find that photo. I can’t say that as soon as I saw the child, I knew who she belonged to. I also think that child is too old to be LM – she looks a good year older than LM would have been at the time.
DeleteI searched an could not find :( need some key words
DeleteWhen I first read this blog I considered what you were saying, but like anything on the internet I took it with a grain of salt. As a fan of skating and in particular V/M, I do not skate I do not know much about it, I do however enjoy watching it. That is the appeal of V/M for me , I enjoy watching them. I am not saying other skaters are not good, they are, but with V/M I feel a connection. You obviously know skating and I enjoy your opinions on skating, however on your personal opinions I strongly disagree, I do not believe they are together or have a child or is with child
ReplyDeleteTo be honest whether they are together or not does not effect my enjoyment of them, I would watch them either way.
You have never offered any proof , just a 3 year old blog in the name of Scotts ex, it makes you come across as someone with an ax to grind, whether it be with Moir, Virtue or Skate Canada.
But it is the internet and everyone is entitled to their opinions, it is what makes the world go around. Strangely enough you suggest this is a facade for the fans and it angers you but at the same time you fail to see you play a large part in it yourself.
@12:34 - Please don't make the assumption that because anyone agrees with this blog's basic premises that it must mean that person does not enjoy VM's skating. One thing is not related to the other. Having strong feelings, even some negative feelings, about VM's personal status, PR, or anything else off-ice does not mean a lack of appreciation for everything they are as icedancers.
DeleteI know I speak for the majority of VM fans who frequent this place -- regardless of VM's personal status or what any of us may think/feel about that, we love and enjoy VM's skating.
Well said, 1:10.
DeleteThe majority of those of us who either know VM's real status as fact or believe the basic premise of this blog are also huge fans of VM's skating and some of their staunchest defenders when it comes to the skating side of things. VM's skating and their personal life are two very separate things to most of us.
I don't think it makes me come across as someone with an axe to grind. I think the blog has been pretty explicit about its rationale, and consistently focuses on what's relevant to the blog's premise. "Axe to grind" is your perception, which is skewed, but it's not really what the blog is doing or even how it comes across without a skew.
DeleteThe blog plays a large part in WHAT, itself? I didn't follow.
To add to what 2:24 said, not everyone who knows that VM are married with a child or has come to believe that is the case agrees with everything the blogger says. I don't believe that Tessa deliberately faked her withdrawal from 4CC 2011 nor do I believe that they get thrills off what the sham does to the fans (Moirville, maybe, but I think most celebrities don't sit around all pressed about what the fans think). I still think VM are good, decent people, but they are lying about this.
DeleteThe blog plays a part in the "supposed sham" Moirville is playing (according to you) , And I am not saying you are a part of that "supposed sham" but that you play into it by promoting it in this blog. It keeps the mystery going, are they aren't they, stay tuned tomorrow sort of thing.
DeleteAs far as the sham itself, well it comes down to marketing and as much as we don't want to think of people as products, they are, especially athletes and that is exactly how they are marketed, as a product.
I did not mean to imply the people here where not V/M fans, clearly most are, and again I tried to word it so I did not offend or criticize anyone, as that was not my intention, I was merely saying what I saw, as an older fan of V/M, anyone can say anything (within reason) on the internet, its up to the reader to believe it or not, usually there is proof and until there is it is all speculation.
The Moirs are going to use anything that's on the web to serve their interests or perceived interests. My decision is not to attempt to second guess what they'll do, nor let that second guessing, or some desire to control what they do, influence what's in the blog. Therefore if some sham photo surfaces, that's relevant and I'm going to use it, even if I know that's "what they want". What they want isn't my problem. Perpetuating the sham is their problem, and their responsibility, it's not mine. If people want to read the blog and walk away thinking VM's status is still a mystery, that's on them, not the blog. The blog explicitly says it's not a mystery.
DeleteFurthermore, the blog doesn't perpetuate it. What, more than anything else, perpetuates it is the in-the-know entertainment media, sports "journalists" and personalities who identify with and enable the celebrity (which in this case is VM) over the audience. That's very common. They also, of course, want to protect access, and many of them consider themselves insiders with the public the perpetual outsiders, and that's the way they like it.
The ET media is extremely selective about what they choose to acknowledge about fan activity on the internet. Frenetic, swooning speculation about are VM together or aren't they? The ET media is going to pretend that's rampant. Nuts and bolts deconstruction of the Sochi skating, the artificial trajectory of DW over the past quad, and the way the skating community and the media enables it and ignores what's going on? Not acknowledged. Scott and Tessa are "dating" or "intimate?" Sure, the media will acknowledge that speculation. The actual discussion - that Scott and Tessa are married and have a child? They don't touch with a ten foot pole nor do they ask Scott and Tessa, and that's no accident.
I don't care if this blog is a minor component of Moirville's game playing or wannabe game playing.
BTW, your observation that VM are product, and choose to market themselves this way is something the blog has said repeatedly. However, the sham obviously serves other agendas beyond marketing.
About fans not understanding how photos haven't made their way to tumblr or twitter or whatnot - I'm convinced a considerable swathe of fans do not, and refuse to, understand that what the skaters do in public is conscious and they are very aware of what they're doing and what they're not doing. Many many fans prefer to think that, unless it's a meet and greet, an event, or the celebs are receiving gifts or otherwise in communication with the fans, that celebs don't notice fans. This enables fans to delude themselves that it's possible to chronicle the "real" VM (and other celebs) just by watching what they do in the public realm, that they can be voyeurs to real stuff, because, they tell themselves, VM and other public figures aren't really mindful of what fans are doing or saying. It's vague noise in the background. What many fans used to say is "They're not Brangelina!" as if the size of the fan following makes any difference at all.
DeleteFans are fans because many of them don't get that there's a divide, that the celeb - most celebs - know exactly how the fan mindset works. The competition, the enabling fan, the approval-needing fan, the trusted fan, etc. etc. Many fans also think celebs protect themselves from the "media" but not "fans." Which - please think about that one. I remember one fan observing Scott and Tessa at a dinner where fans attended, claiming she saw no sign of coupledom, and that it was significant because no media was present. The fact that it was a public event and skating fans were present did not penetrate. Fans don't want to know there's a divide. Much of the way celebs behave encourage that mindset (Scott and Tessa's reality show, for example). I think that's delusional, and the second-hand humiliation is painful, but I guess if fans don't mind, I shouldn't mind or consider them degraded.
Also, fans decide, in their own heads, what constitutes a "public realm" and what isn't. Scott Moir, his parents, and an Olympic gold medal winning curler out at dinner in their home town MUST be, of course, private. Just so happens a fellow UWO is there to not just tweet about it, but coyly follow up with her take. Scott Moir and his friends making a spectacle of themselves behind the barrier at a highlight hockey game in their hometown is just Scott being Scott, not noticing or caring that he's seen out and about town being loud.
DeleteMost fans prefer to make up how it is, and then they think the matter is settled. They've decided, consulting only themselves. They never audit their thinking, they never cross-check against how things actually might be done.
[Just moving this up so it doesn't get buried down below, for those interested:
ReplyDeleteAmy vs Meryl Finals
Part 2 - Freestyle and Fusion plus some extras
http://youtu.be/D_H3-_7s47s
and here's Part 1 as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8epVxxpurwQ ]
Thanks, I will try to put it up later in the week. :)
DeleteCoincidence or no?: http://instagram.com/p/ownWSCL2CE/#
ReplyDeleteWell anon at 4:57 pm - according to Jennifer Jones (curler), denny morrison, jesse lumden twitter - I am assuming the picture was taken in Mont-Tremblant, Quebec where the Sochi Olympians are at a meeting - I am assuming to have a pow-wow about the upcoming Calgary parade etc...but yeah it appears that Ms. Lawes likes to hang around Monsieur Moir...actually Mr. Rudi Sweigers is looking like he knows how to party...and Mr. Moscovitch is in the mix as well..I am assuming the besties - Paige Lawrence and KMT are hanging somewhere else...no harm done..it's been a hot one here in Montreal..and the men's curling team is there also..a mini-reunion of sorts..notice how Kaitlyn Weaver is spending some time with her friends and not exactly glued to senor Andrew..
DeleteWhat a ridiculous photo. She's the only one who looks as if she's "placed" where she is. Everybody else is whooping it up and she's all "I"ll just stand here with a weak smile on my face."
Deletehttps://mobile.twitter.com/kelseyserwa/status/473662751731380226
Delete^^ Wow - they’re actually going to do this, aren’t they? I mean, I shouldn’t be surprised, I just can’t believe they would when it’s so…obvious. They really think people are that dumb? They think we don’t have eyes in our heads?
DeleteNo, they know we know, remember. It's "you can't touch us." That's all. They're a meanspirited bunch, and very competitive. They used to be meanspirited and have sport with fans who bought the sham (or fans who got all hopeful when VM would raise their hopes on purpose). Of course when the blog began, they got competitive with the blog, and with the participants on the blog. Think of it as a middle finger.
DeleteIf you look back over recent video of Scott and Tessa, they've both managed to slide in curling, and watching curling, way more than they've ever done before. Scott even corrected himself after mentioning some other sport and said instead, "I mean curling."
Delete^ Which, btw, could be somebody's lame ass idea of a quid pro quo. Scott and Tessa call attention to the sport of curling, which is already pretty popular, but they sure have been touting it recently. In exchange, K. Lawes is the new sham gf. I wonder if she'll post on social media in the same vein as JD and CH.
DeleteThey don't care what fans are actually like. They just have their narrative about fans and keep promoting that. That's a stipulation for everyone who interviews them. Everyone who does has to do the insert about fans thinking/wishing they're "dating" (never "married with a kid."). Then they go on about how it can be annoying but they handle it with good grace, being classy products of London and Ilderton.
DeleteThe Jennifer Jones team has sponsors that are bigger than Roots - WFG, for one. Is this not risky for her to do?
DeleteOC @ 9:01, except there was that one Sportsnet interview where they added "this secret life that no one knows about" as an option.
I have noticed the increase in mentioning curling as well... or maybe I'm just more attuned to it since I've been waiting for it, but it's made me cringe each time.
DeleteScott actually doubled back to say "I mean curling." Since WHEN?
DeleteI don't know re the Jennifer Jones team's sponsors. The media seems perfectly comfortable stigmatizing the fans as people who want Scott and Tessa to "date" (never EVER does the media address the fact that many fans say they're married with a daughter. You can't tell me if this were fantasy, and not reality, that their secret marriage and phantom child wouldn't be in the mix as one of the perils of their fame and fan obsession).
"Secret life no one knows about." Problem is it's not a secret life nobody knows about. Their community knows about it, the skating world knows about it, much of the media that patronizes, condescends and stigmatizes skating fans help them hoax these fans, and many fans themselves know. Not so secret. Just not acknowledged on the record.
I wonder if Roots had a do over, if they'd go ahead and help VM hoax the public. I think all kinds of lies have been aggressively normalized. The media is fine with it. Not just not telling us, but actively lying, hoaxing and gaslighting. It appears to me VM have been on the forefront of normalizing that and the entertainment media and some sponsors have fallen into line behind them. Why limit yourself? It's okay. There's nothing wrong with a hoax. It's not illegal, and since it's not illegal, and there's an ongoing narrative telling us that we're making them do it, why not do it?
DeleteThis pic was taken within the last few weeks.....I really don't think she is attempting tp hide anything, lol.
ReplyDeletehttp://tessavirtueandscottmoir.tumblr.com/
Unfortunately, I think no, esp since the pregnancy speculation hit twitter/tumblr hard today. :/
ReplyDeleteUgh.
^ was in response to 4:57 "coincidence" post, btw. And there's at least 4 pics now. Nothing overt yet (that I've seen, at least). Just in the same space/same event, but I've seen how these go, and that's how it starts. Let the fans do the leg work.
DeleteThis incarnation of the sham is shaping up to feel skeeviest, somehow, for me. I think it's because Lawes seems like a bright, shit-together person (with her OWN ogm!) which past sham girlfriends never quite did...it makes it sadder, or something. What does she need sham for? Although, one would say the same about VM, at first glance, so who knows. I just get a very weary sort of feeling from the beginnings of this one.
DeleteMaybe it's just that I can't quite believe they're doing it AGAIN, at 25 and 27 years old and expecting their second baby...but then, that all signs point to the impending launch of Sham 3.0 does make me inclined to agree with OC that maybe their retirement isn't exactly a sure thing, at this point, so they want to have solid sham in place, if they do return to competition.
Two possibilities occur. One is, they don't want to announce their retirement, because once they do, the speculation dies down, the attention on them dies down, and what will Moirville do, especially in summer, without this bullshit to occupy itself? Didn't Scott have half his "buddies" with him for Victoria Day? This is their reason for living. It could just be milking the cow til it's dry, then checking to be sure there's nothing left, then milking it again. They could be delaying the retirement announcement, because lord knows, what would Moirville do if Scott/Tessa moved to the next phase of their lives.
DeleteI actually think the two of them want to come back and compete, but of course, are taking a wait and see. Part of that wait and see is, would they be allowed to win? If not, I don't see the point, but maybe they do.
Let's see how far Lawes is willing to take this. Let's see if kissy face, beach vacations, holiday get togethers and other canoodling is part of the package. As you say, looking at Lawes, it seems unlikely. However, if I were to place a bet, I'd bet on the full package, exactly like JD and CH. She's obviously gotten on board. If she's on board, she's on board all the way.
DeleteWe don't know these people. Let this be instructional, then. People look at Kaitlyn Lawes and think sensible, shit-together, authentically successful, wouldn't get involved in something so pathetically low rent and rank, and so disrespectful. But lo. P.R. is p.r. People argue that she's already famous enough, but we don't know how she looks at it. We don't KNOW her.
"I actually think the two of them want to come back and compete, but of course, are taking a wait and see. Part of that wait and see is, would they be allowed to win? If not, I don't see the point, but maybe they do."
DeleteThe only point I could see (if they're not going to be allowed to win) would be if they want to keep challenging themselves personally with their skating. They love to skate, they love the process, they love the challenge. With no real pro circuit, that leaves competitive skating.
Another part of waiting is to see what DW do, I'm sure. Or, alternately, to try to lessen the odds of DW not following them back to the ice.
I, too, think they're still deciding on whether or not to come back and seeing how everything plays out, but I also think going forward with this right now may have to do with the pregnancy. (I wasn't around online last time, was there this much speculation for her in social media?) Obviously not all, since this was apparently set up just after Sochi... although, if one argues this pregnancy was planned (they already know how to navigate around this general timeline, right? Have excuses to use... can take a break after working so hard for the past quad, only makes sense to take some time off to decide what they want to do, see how they feel at the end of the year, etc.), then it could have been set up for both. Just a thought.
DeleteAgreed, but I think that the possibility of returning to competition might make shamming through the pregnancy seem all the more necessary to them, as they'll want to keep up their platonic narrative as they promote their return.
DeleteThen again, I always under-estimate how wildly over-invested and over-involved Moirville really is in all of this, so OC is probably right in that whatever else it is, the sham is always a way to keep Moirville occupied and thus, maybe a little less involved in their actual lives (maybe especially now, as they expand their family and make those future skating decisions, etc.)
"I wasn't around online last time, was there this much speculation for her in social media? "
DeleteIf you mean about the pregnancy, not even close. A few fans hinted or joked about it but no one ever said anything outright.
You are assuming SM is the father.....
ReplyDeleteNever assume
I know Scott Moir is the father. I know it as fact. It's nothing I assumed.
DeleteNobody's assuming he's the dad, 11:29, he is. Don't even start.
DeleteYou are assuming. Period. Unless you were with her at the time of conception lol. Or unless you are her closest confidant and are betraying her...repeatedly. you are assuming.
Delete9:51 - What a ridiculous statement.
DeleteEveryone who knows my child "knows" my husband is her father. They did not have to be there at the moment of conception nor do they have to be my closest confidantes. What kind of logic is that?
YOU are assuming the child of Tessa Virtue is a deep dark secret and people are confused as to who might be the father. Tessa and Scott are married. Everyone in their world knows that (fans are not "their world"). Everyone in their world knows Scott is the father. It's not assumption and none of them had to be there at the moment of conception. Geez.
9:51, so I guess you go around second guessing the the paternity of everyone who crosses your path, your friends, relatives, colleagues etc, whether or not they had married parents with a stable home life as an infant or not? Maybe even need to see birth photos to be convinced of the maternity? Give me a break.
DeleteI think 11:29 is the David Pelletier die hard.
DeleteThis site is absolutely crazy! What a nightmare
ReplyDeleteReally 1:58?
DeleteThen I guess it's crazy when people have confirmed facts.
Tessa and Scott have created a nightmare. It's not on the fans who know the truth and call them out on their bs.
204 why is it a nightmare? Because you dont approve? Because you dont know the facts? Because they keep their private life private as best they can (that is to say except for people like you who are RELENTLESS)
DeleteYou are so obsessed with painting them black? Why? Who cares if they are hiding a marriage and child -- who cares?? Why does this enrage you so much that you have dedicated so much to "out" them? Why is this so important to you?
DeleteIt is just bizarre that this blog hides under a facade about skating. Its not really about skating. Its a vandetta because you feel personally duped because THEY CHOSE NOT TO TELL YOU about their life. Jyst like you chose NOT to tell others about where you get your facts. Which makes you laugh. I dont need to tell you-- you say....well guess what -- they dont need to tell you or us anything either. GET OVER IT.
"Because they keep their private life private as best they can"
DeleteHahahahahahahahaha.
"Why does this enrage you so much that you have dedicated so much to "out" them?"
DeleteLOL. This blog has never "outed" them. People knew about V/M's actual relationship status LONG before this blog ever came along. The blogger also doesn't hide under a facade about skating. If you made the mistake of initially thinking it was a blog created for the express purpose of discussing skating, you only have yourself to blame for that.
Your attempts to insult this place are comical. It's like you keep trying and falling on your face in the process. If you did not care about this blog or think it's not important, if it was a joke to you, if you didn't actually crave the "proof" you or anyone else feels the blogger is withholding because you're a whore for "insider info" about skaters' private lives, you wouldn't give a shit what was being said. You're all "who cares?!? Who cares?!?" over and over again.
You do, it seems. If not, you wouldn't be here.
How are they "confirmed facts" who confirmed them? Where is this child? Who are all of these people keeping this massive secret for them? And why would they even want to keep it a secret? You do a lot of, "this is a fact" but no where have you ever backed it up with pictures, quotes or anything
ReplyDelete2:09, if you have never commented here before, read through a whole bunch of other comments sections before you comment again, and don't broken-record the comments section. If you have commented here before along these same lines, don't comment again.
DeleteI haven't commented before, and I have read through this website of lies and "oh, I know it's a fact" garbage, and the fact is....you have no concrete evidence.period. Which is precisely why you remove comments like this, and ask people who are asking for evidence, to stop commenting. Prove something!!!!!!! Anyone can come on here and say, "I know,and it's a fact, or I confirm it", but no one ever does ACTUALLY confirm anything, with anything tangible
ReplyDeleteHahahaha exactly, remove the comments of the people with legitimate questions, regarding you're made up lies!
ReplyDelete^^^ so true
DeleteYes, because she was totally 9 months pregnant here: http://i.xwl.me/33s23k.gif
ReplyDeleteNot quite nine, but...yep. Pregnant. There's nothing about that lift that is dangerous for a pregnant athlete in her excellent shape to execute. Try again.
DeleteShe is slender in that video. And even if she were pregnant -- which she clearly wasn't -- I don't think that a heavily pregnant woman (with common sense, who cares about not damaging her fetus) would do lifts where she is inverted by someone balancing on one foot. Even if someone is in excellent shape and is an elite athlete, weight gain will throw your partner off-balance.
DeleteLook at the end of the gif when we can see her sideways, she is definitely not slender.
Delete3:22 - if I were you I'd throw away your copy of "Doris Pulaski's guide to elementary physics" because it's bad science.
DeleteLearn what you're talking about before you rant.
BTW, I will get rid of your bullshit if you keep it up, but on this blog that means take it off live. They're not deleted. I keep them. I know there's a post in them at some point. Yours and others.
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It's not like V/M are immune to shakiness/slips on lifts, even when they are in competition shape (recent examples: team event, Skate Canada, reality show). With this in mind, why would they keep doing intricate lifts so late in pregnancy? And why would they risk injuring Scott by having him lift an increasingly heavy partner? It is not ranting to point out inconsistencies. Sure, do a post, maybe explain these choices in detail beyond "physics." Why would expectant parents put their baby/future careers at risk?
DeleteI agree with 5:44 (in the sense that I think it's a risky thing to do - not that I think it's proof she wasn't pregnant).
DeleteIt's showboating. It isn't necessary to do the goose at 8 months pregnant at some rinky dinky hometown show. You'll get the applause anyway.
They do it - like so many other things - because "a pregnant woman would never do THIS, and what about THAT, motherfuckers!" They're always pushing the boundaries.
I can't even think of any other female skater who skated that late into a pregnancy. And none who did the type of lifts involving few points of contact, twisting maneuvers, soaring high in the air, etc - fucking level 4 lifts. Which, by the way, is amazing. I commend their abilities. But I think it is stupid and not worth whatever point they're trying to prove. When Delobel was pregnant, she wouldn't even practice lifts - Dubreiul stepped in for her.
Now before someone says I don't understand how protected a fetus is in the womb... there's a lot of factors at play. There's the woman's balance being off when she's pregnant, and the man's balance being off because his partner's weight is changing. Skaters have reported feeling different in jumps and lifts with gains of as little as 3 pounds. Tessa gained more than that. Falling from a neck/head level lift at speed is a much bigger impact than your typical trip and fall, and ice is hard. There's risk of repeat trauma - even if you seem fine the first time you fall, additional falls could be causing damage and lead to premature contractions.
Scott struggled a few times getting up that lift in the SD effortlessly... I was just watching a video of Top Hat recently, with Tessa's belly so visible, and I was cringing for the guy while they did that lift. That can't be comfortable.
They're setting a baseline - so when people look back they'll say "she couldn't have been pregnant, they were doing the goose and their SD lift on CSOI and they couldn't have done that had she been pregnant."
It's extraordinarily dumb, IMO.
Both of you don't know what you're talking about. Learn some mechanics. Learn how "intricate" the Goose actually is. It's about stability and managing your body in space, and muscle memory. "Intricate" it's not. Can everybody do it, no, because not everybody has Scott's stablity on his blades and control of his core, and not everybody has Tessa's core stability and balance. Few people do. It's been in her muscle memory since 2009. She's about a foot and a half of the ice, and both know how to bail. They know what they're doing. Learn about the core. Learn about basic movement mechanics. Go to youtube. Get it broken down.
DeleteHowever crazy they are they're not putting her or the baby at risk to make a point. They ARE capitalizing on people, like the two of you, who, without bothering to research, deconstruct, inform themselves, start clutching their pearls because they think what they're doing is "risky."
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I seriously don't know what you mean by "a woman's balance being off" as if there's no such thing as compensation, as if Tessa isn't a finely tuned athlete who, numerous times in her career, has had to take adjustments. In her prior pregnancy. When she struggled with CES. In what appears to be her current pregnancy. SHE'S AN ELITE ATHLETE.
DeleteAmy Purdy did DWTS without feet. She didn't know how to dance before. She did know how to use her hip to compensate for not having feet. She learned a lot of adjustment and compensation WHILE on the show, not having attempted it before. Tessa adjusting her center of gravity to accomodate size expansion (weight is not as much of an issue) is something she can do in her sleep. She trains with extra weight. She trains in the normal course with challenges to her balance and stability that she doesn't even encounter on the ice. Dear God, if you're a fan of their skating at all, learn what goes into it, what it MEANS to be a high performance athlete.
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I agree, they're willing to do absolutely anything to "prove" that they aren't a couple and aren't pregnant. Someone earlier was saying they don't think V/M care about what fans think - they obviously care a lot if they're willing to take these kinds of risks. And for what? If they never announce the birth then, officially, there was none. It's some kind of bizarre game for them but relationships, pregnancies and children are not a game.
DeleteOC, so you think there's no risks at all? Then why did Delobel not train lifts near the end, was she misinformed? Because V/M attempted more than one level 4 lift at that December show.
DeleteSo how come we don't see other female ice dancers doing level 4 lifts in the third trimester? Lots of them have babies. You keep harping on Tessa's balance and muscle memory, but she's dealing with a CHANGED body. Taking an adjustment for the amount of pressure she puts on her legs in CECS has nothing to do with the change in shape of a pregnant woman. It's not like I'm saying these lifts are impossible to do when pregnant - she did them, ergo they are not impossible.
DeleteDoing them is atypical, though. Atypical in the sense that they can do basically everything they could do while not pregnant at the late stage of a pregnancy, just slower, and that they bother to do it. Obviously they did train at a very high level seeing how prepared they were at 4CC. Stuff like the goose wasn't necessary for a club show at that level that late in her pregnancy, and I'm quite sure it wouldn't have been in there except as a "see, no one would ever do this." Obviously they were right, as it turned out fine, but it's notable no one else has felt the need to take those risks. And pointing that out doesn't make someone not a real or knowledgeable skating fan.
What makes you decide a level 4 lift done at moderate speed, where you can see every single component, is risky? Delobel was training for the Olympics, where the speed is much greater for both partners, where the lift takes place in the middle of a high intensity program. There is no intensity in what Tessa's doing. LOOK AT SCOTT, not just Tessa. Tessa's range of motion and core strength was plenty to do that lift as it was performed. It's so moderate it's practically an instructional video. It's not near competitive speed. Of course it looks fantastic because her technique doesn't alter (although again, look at how calm, stable and measured Scott is) but it's more measured, deliberate. Not measured/deliberate as you or I would do it, but for Tessa Virtue. Just because she's pregnant her limbs aren't going to suddenly crumble like Meryl Davis. She still has her alignment. And as I said before, Tessa is very good at creating shapes with different parts of her body when one part is out of commission. She's got a very mobile torso. In the SD lift, she used her upper chest, shoulders and neck for the arch, not her lower hips and pelvis. People don't know the difference because it looks fine to them. After all, Meryl Davis "won" a gold medal barely even using her upper back.
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Also, while Scott continues to have a lovely long blade run, his "speed" in that lift is near-glacial - for him. There are myriad factors that would be applied to this lift in competition that don't come into play in this performance.
Delete"You keep harping on Tessa's balance and muscle memory, but she's dealing with a CHANGED body."
DeleteI'm confused by this line of reasoning. Yes, her body is changing. That's why lifts are practiced to account for those shifts as they continue to occur over the course of the pregnancy. Scott is an incredible partner in lifts. As stable as a rock. His sense of balance is just as impressive as hers, he just utilizes it differently. Case in point - watch him bail on lifts that go wrong mechanically. He can handle the balance checks and shifts just fine, and since her weight isn't going to dramatically change in the hour and half between a pre-show runthrough and the actual show, that would have no bearing on his or her ability to compensate for shifts in balance/weight distribution.
That lift in the gif above is difficult, but it's not nearly as high impact as some are making it out to be. She's not twisting her body into odd shapes. She's putting temporary weight on one hip or the other as she moves, but he has her in a stable position, avoiding pressure points on the pelvis and abdomen, the entire time. As for why Delobel wasn't doing lifts late into pregnancy, who knows. She was older than Tessa, and has a different shaped body. Maybe the way her specific pregnancy played out resulted in her deciding not to practice lifts later on, or maybe her partner was too uncomfortable with it himself and that's why they axed them. I'm not sure why any of that should matter to Virtue and Moir's situation. Every pregnancy is different.
Of course Delobel wouldn't do full runthroughs of her programs with the lifts included at 8 months, the point is that she completely stopped training lifts. And training lifts, even at a lower speed, could have helped their preparation. You would think being ready for the Olympics would be more important than some dumb show.
DeleteThe things you mention reduce the risk but they don't eliminate it. Even when skaters aren't pregnant, they'll sometimes fall from lifts; the body changes that come with pregnancy make that a little more likely and the consequences of falls could be greater as well.
"...the body changes that come with pregnancy make that a little more likely and the consequences of falls could be greater as well."
DeleteChanges that come from pregnancy do not necessarily make falling from lifts more likely. Scott Moir knows how to compensate for balance shifts and keep his partner stable. Why is it being assumed that lifting a pregnant woman would somehow result in his ability to compensate for balance shifts suddenly evaporating? That's not realistic. His abilities to balance check and handle shifts in weight distribution would be the same as they always are: stellar.
Since Tessa Virtue is not going to gain ten pounds in the time between a pre-show runthrough and the actual show, sudden changes in weight would not be an issue affecting balance checks. Her sense of balance is impeccable. That would not change with pregnancy, it would only alter how she utilizes it. There's no way they would ever send up a lift unless they had practiced it enough ahead of time and were confident in their abilities to compensate for the balance shifts that come from her changing body.
And OC is right. That lift in the gif is in good form, but it's also SLOW.
I agree with 7:24 (I'm 5:58/6:40)... because of VM's excellent technique and control, and her youth, doing level 4 lifts is less risky for them than it might be for others. Still, I find it meaningful that no other ice dancer in the history of the sport that I can recall has done that. A lot of those skaters could have used the money they would make from skating in shows, but they didn't do it. VM just had to skate in a club show, and do the signature lift from their Olympic gold medal program? As you say, falls can happen to anyone, and they were dealing with body changes they hadn't handled before (as opposed to this second pregnancy), and Tessa was even recovering from surgery, although I don't think that would have too much impact on lifts. Taking it all together, it's not nothing like it's being made out to be.
DeleteDidn't Maria Mountain mention in some interview that she works closely with Virtue and Moir to develop their lifts? That's significant. She's not a lift coach, but she is very knowledgable about coordination, balance, and how and where to avoid pressure in certain positions so as not to aggravate Virtue's leg issues or Moir's back problems. I see no reason why creating/altering lifts "safe for pregnancy" wouldn't be included in there as well.
DeleteGoing back to the person who said Tessa wasn't yet nine months pregnant at this show...so you would say she had a baby in January? A few weeks before traveling to South Korea? While training for an SD at 4CC? And she also lost all of the weight in those weeks?
Delete"Still, I find it meaningful that no other ice dancer in the history of the sport that I can recall has done that."
DeleteHas done what, exactly? Skated and executed lifts while pregnant? I would be careful not to confuse "were capable of doing so" with "actually wanted to do so."
"A lot of those skaters could have used the money they would make from skating in shows, but they didn't do it."
I'm confused. Who are "a lot of those" pregnant skaters? Has there been an epidemic of still competing pregnant skaters that I'm unaware of?
"VM just had to skate in a club show, and do the signature lift from their Olympic gold medal program?"
I'm not sure what that has to do with risk. That "signature lift" is even less high impact than the one in the gif above.
http://thestir.cafemom.com/baby/164882/mom_angers_world_after_showing
DeleteSkated late in pregnancy with their typical (high) level of difficulty in lifts.
DeleteI'm not talking about competitors only. What about Dubreiul, Denkova, Domnina, Lang, Anissina or other ice dancers who had babies as pros? Where are the videos of them in their third trimesters, doing their usual lifts? I haven't really seen them skating that late in their pregnancy period, even with modified simple lifts. Why not? Several of them returned to the ice quickly after birth (Domnina in particular), so if it's so not risky, why not do it until the 8th or 9th month to maximize the money they could make which seems like a prudent idea for someone starting a family.
None of those people were gunning to compete at a World Championships two months later? I don't know. Katia Gordeeva skated pretty late into her second pregnancy and was still doing jumps and simple lifts in shows, IIRC.
DeleteAll that said, I'm not sure any of that has bearing on what Virtue and Moir were able to do because obviously we know they did it. So it is possible.
Is there video of Gordeeva? I'm curious to see.
DeleteSomeone probably has video, but I don't see anything on youtube. There was a lot of chatter about it at the time, though.
DeleteWhen it comes down to the discussion of whether or not it was safe or not for Tessa to be doing lifts late in pregnancy, I come down in the middle.
DeletePlacental abruption after a fall or other injury that results in a hit to the abdomen during pregnancy is a real thing. It's not something from a made-up-by-DorisPulaski text book. It's in real world medical textbooks. It happens. Sometimes, in the worst of situations, moms and/or babies die from it.
I agree that VM's superb skills and Tessa's supernatural ability to manage her body in space reduces the risk of a lift going wrong. However, reducing a risk doesn't entirely eliminate a risk. There is always at least some small risk of something going wrong with a lift. Ice is slippery. Things can happen. As an analogy, think about Dale Earnhardt Sr. The man was an excellent driver with skills and the ability to manage a car that was unlike many/most others out there. The man died in a crash while racing. Skill can greatly decrease the odds, but it can't wipe them out entirely.
I think the risk that VM took was a lot lower than some people make it out to be, but it wasn't entirely without risk. The odds of something going wrong may have been low, but low is not zero.
I get it. We all take a risk every day when we get out of bed and leave our homes. Everyone makes a choice about what level of risk is acceptable to them though, especially pregnant women (and their partners). For them, odds were very likely that nothing would happen (and nothing did happen), but there was still some level of risk there. I suppose VM felt comfortable with the odds, but other skaters clearly didn't and didn't even want to take the smallest of chances. It's personal choice. It's like some women won't touch a sip of alcohol while pregnant and others think a swallow or two every once in awhile past the first trimester won't hurt anything.
For the record, I know Delobel stopped training lifts at a point before she stopped training all together, but I don't think she didn't train lifts at all during pregnancy. I think she did lifts up through the half way point and then the coach stepped in so Schoenfelder could continue to practice them.
I just think the risk is a lot lower than you're making it out to be, even from your position in the middle. They are moving at slow speed, both in the Goose and in the L4 lift, and taking each in a very measured fashion. Scott, in particular, is moving quite slowly and methodically. The impact if anything went wrong would be small, and furthermore, unless they both passed out out there, they both would bail if anything went wrong, as we've seen them do in the past when beginning to execute lifts with far more intensity than they're executing here. We've seen Tessa step down from the Goose when she gets up there off balance. We've seen Scott and Tessa abort lifts calmly and easily when practicing them at competitive intensity. I just think this is another instance where both Tessa and Scott are being projected upon. One instance is when fans think Tessa and Scott don't recognize their feelings for each other, another when they don't see Marina "as she is" but by God, fans do. If only they did. Here, it's VM don't recognize the risk or are taking a risk anyway, instead of fans understanding that there is minimal risk. The speed is slow. The execution is measured. Their ability to bail cleanly and securly at far far greater speed and attack is demonstrable.
DeleteWHY IS IT SO HARD TO GRASP THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO KNOW AND HAVE JUST DECIDED TO NOT SHARE THEIR EVIDENCE WITH *YOU* OR PUBLICLY? SERIOUSLY.
ReplyDeleteAgain, show me the tangible evidence. I want to see pictures, people's confessions, a quote or two...a sighting....you have nothing but a picture of someone, skating in a sweater...that's it. If there is a 4 year old girl, then where the hell is she??
ReplyDeleteBecause 3:13, there's no way you can keep something like that a secret. A wedding yes, but a child, no. Someone would've said something...a friend, colleague, teacher, disgruntled pretend gf, a competitor, a witness, someone would've.....and I'm sure someone, does not include some random person who anonymously says "because it's a fact, and I know", because that's garbage and wraps that's why this site is a joke amongst hundreds of fans
ReplyDeleteThere is a child.
DeleteBut feel free to keep throwing your tantrums. They make no fucking difference whatsoever.
3:13 - How do you know it's impossible? I'm thinking you probably don't know any celebrities very well, and don't know anyone who's attempted something like this. Unlikely, maybe. Impossible? You can't know that.
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Delete*You* want to see? Excuse me while I protect my sources. I have every right to say what I know and at the same time not out the sources.
Throwing a tantrum doesn't make the facts less real.
Someone would have said something ON THE INTERNET?
DeleteYou don't know what the hell you are talking about. Anybody who has an axe to grind with Scott and Tessa have plenty of people to trash talk them with, without presenting it to a bunch of fans on the internet.
You have no idea what is impossible. You have just decided, in your own brain, without cross-checking with reality.
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3:19, are you the sort of person who, when disgruntled with someone you know, outs them in some way on facebook in front of mutual friends and family, threatens to betray whatever their secrets may be, expose their intimate life or taunts them on ask.fm? When you break up with somebody does every social media contact you have hear from you in public? Go on a public twitter rant? Create an anon twitter account to trash them?
DeleteOr do you vent to, you know, your friends and family? Maybe taking care not to vent to mutual friends lest you put them in an uncomfortable position in the middle. I'm trying to grasp the mentality of someone who thinks that anyone with an axe to grind with Scott and Tessa - LOVE the example of sham gf - is going to think "I know - I'll tell all the fans on the internet instead of talk to my friends!" Don't confuse YOUR motive with their motive. YOUR motive is - you want to know. People who are mad at Scott and Tessa or just want to bitch about them aren't going to share a burning need to tell you about it. They can do it with someone they actually know just as well. I know that's unfair.
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Wow the backlash is strong on here tonight :-) I can't for the life of me understand why people who think this blog is bunch of lies and the blogger a psycho, would spend so much time on here shouting ungrammatically about proof and evidence and actually having the temerity to demand the blogger shut down their blog. Am I missing something? I wouldn't spend a second here if I didn't believe the premise of the blog and even if I thought it was all lies or impossible (as I freely admit I did when I first started reading the blog) I would just walk away - I would stop reading it and certainly would not be calling for the blog to be shut down (pesky old freedom of speech, eh?). i just don't understand these people. I think maybe they're afraid it's true and can't handle the fact that VM have lied to them and taken them for fools - why else would they react so violently?
ReplyDeleteAmen.
DeleteNo one is reacting violently, just asking for proof. If you know that there is indeed a child, show proof. It's as simple as that. You couldn't go into a courtroom and say, "I know, and I heard, and it's a fact", without any proper evidence. I think it's nonsense and it's sad that these creators have nothing better to do with their time, than create lies and spread gossip, with nothing to show as proof
ReplyDelete@3:40 -- You claim to have read the blog. In that case, you are deliberately not paying attention to all the markers provided by both blogger and people in the comments' section.
DeleteI came to the conclusion VM were a couple simply by connecting all the dots available in the public domain. After that, I came to the conclusion Tessa had a baby also by connecting the dots in the public domain. You refuse to take all the public history of VM into consideration - that's on you. If you've made up your mind all the wealth of material under our very noses means nothing, then indeed you would need to actually see marriage and birth certificates. Sorry, but obviously that's not going to happen. Making demands changes nothing.
3:40 - this blog belongs to the blogger. They know what they know, therefore they have their proof. They are not trying to convince other people of the fact - that is not what this blog is about. They don't have to provide evidence - this isn't a court of law. However, this blog has been here for over 3 years and no legal action has ever been taken - make of that what you will.
DeleteGo into a courtroom? Are you serious? What makes you think anyone here who says they know V/M have a child don't have proper evidence?
DeleteYou're pissed because no one will share that evidence with you, so you've decided they don't have it. That's on you. That's your problem. The blogger has always said s/he couldn't care less if you believe a child exists or not. You are the only one demanding the kind of proof you want as though it must be required in order for this kid to be real. No, it makes no fucking difference what you want. The kid is real whether you want to believe it or not.
Poor old Little Moir and Foetus Moir...reminds me of that thought experiment, "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" If there are two children and no-one takes their photo and puts it on Twitter, do they exist?
Delete3:40, stop badgering, and stop being ridiculous. It's on you if you demand a sworn affidavit every time somebody says something to you if you don't personally possess the information supporting it. "I saw the cutest puppy today." "Where's the proof? Show me a photo!" "So sad Ellen's grandma died of cancer." "Give me the medical records or you're a liar!" Doesn't matter if the person you're talking to saw the puppy, doesn't matter if the person telling you about Ellen's grandma talked to the doctors, I take it. That seems like an exhausting way to get through life. "Ladies and gentleman, we're heading into some turbulence and are going up a few thousand feet to avoid it." "Show me the radar!"
DeleteIt's my blog. I have to know what I'm saying is true, not you. You're entitled to disbelieve as much as you want. You're not, though, entitled to clutter up the comments section with your nonsense, undeveloped reasoning skills, and your whining. Stop it now.
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As someone who does know, I don't think what 3:40 is saying is that unreasonable or whiny. I'm sorry that I can't give you the proof that I have. Even if I tell you about my source and how I got the info, you wouldn't believe me because I'm an anonymous person from the internet. Unfortunately marriage and birth certificates aren't public domain, and I don't have photos of the kid. There are photos out in the public domain of pregnant Tessa, but she didn't carry like most women do, so I get how you could look at them and not fully believe... that's how I felt, until I spoke to my unassailable source.
DeleteI think it does take a leap of faith to believe the story if you don't know it for a fact. I actually admire those of you who were able to piece it together on your own, because for a long time I was someone who just thought Tessa gained weight and wouldn't have believed it without proof.
5:06, I disagree with you. I am not bashing 3:40 for not believing without proof. 3:40 is free to not believe all day long and in years to come. I am bashing 3:40 for having a freaking tantrum on this blog's comments section and trying to make it MY problem that she/he doesn't believe what the blog says. I don't care! When I started the blog, from day one, I said I know what I know for a fact, and it doesn't come from the public domain. I also pointed to things in the public domain, while making clear my knowledge didn't rest with anything there. Everyone who ever comes here and reads the blog or looks at what is in the public domain is free to use their own brains/judgment to determine credibility, and if they don't find the blog credible, or what's in the public domain persuasive, they are perfectly free. And yet that doesn't make 3:40 happy. They stay here and stay here and have shit fits all over the comments section because they want to make THEIR decision about the blog MY problem. It's not. If they need more, the blog isn't for them, the end. They can go find their proof on their own. If they can't or they think it doesn't exist, I see absolutely no reason why they can't live with that belief, or why the blog then would be of any interest to them whatsoever. Meantime, they are littering up the comments section acting out and whining and trashing, all because they're not happy without proof, and they think somehow that's on me. It's not. That's an utterly narcissistic perspective that's not tolerated.
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"I always under-estimate how wildly over-invested and over-involved Moirville really is in all of this,"
ReplyDeleteFrom the outset, Moirville and Skate Canada's involvement in Scott's sham love-life has been the creepiest. To me, that was an immediate red flag of something being extremely amiss. After all these years, that initial impression has remained true. Moirville is up VM's ass in the most inappropriate ways but then, Scott allows it. He's a grown man with no balls when it comes to his family, his buddies and his home-town in general.
4:33, amen. Skate Canada was no better, but I think they were doing their own brand of star-fucking and work avoidance. Help Scott and Tessa sham, pretend that's "work" = money for nothing. Scott and Tessa owe you and will share some of the spotlight. That worked out well.
DeleteMoirville pretends it's about skating and their love for skating (at least the actual Moirs in Moirville) but it's about being a groupie. They all dine off Scott and Tessa's personal business and status-by-association.
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And why does that bother you so much? Enough to put it into print... Why do you feel the need to comment on anyone dining off vm success? Did u miss out?
DeleteIt's plays into the motives for orbiting around Scott and Tessa and being up in their business despite long since having reached adulthood, and why the sham continues.
Delete"He's a grown man with no balls when it comes to his family, his buddies and his home-town in general."
Deleteif he has no balls then how the hell did he impregnate tessa twice?
http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/27100000/Winter-Dreams-on-ice-tessa-virtue-and-scott-moir-27196995-800-533.jpg
ReplyDeleteThe fact remains: you are claiming that, in this photo, Tessa is 1.5 weeks away from giving birth. Somehow, at this advanced stage, she has elected to do a public skating event where she is doing lifts, can easily bend at the waist, can lace up her skates, absolutely no fear of going into labor in public. I don't care how many times you claim she was just "carrying to the back" and "widening" -- her stomach is flat, there is no room between her belly and spine for a baby. You can claim that you "know" and have airtight sources -- um, I think they were fucking with you.
7:52 - No, the claim is that in this photo she is about one month away from giving birth. *For her* she looks very pregnant.
ReplyDeleteWhat are you claiming, 7:52? That this very visible change in her body is due to eating chocolate and junk food and not exercising since her surgery (in October)? And a person who did that and got that out-of-shape would look this healthy and still be able to perform her previously-normal athletic routines? And this makes more sense than saying she's pregnant?
Geez 7:52, you must know some fragile pregnant women. No pregnant women I know are afraid of giving birth in public a month or so before their due date.
ReplyDeleteI also love how you believe there's no difference between Tessa Virtue's range of motion and a regular pregnant lady's range of motion. Tessa Virtue can use muscles in her body to do the jobs of other muscles, including expansion, support, movement initiation, etc.
You don't know how *I* know. She has a kid.
I'm also curious about why there is so much aggressive hostility in this comments section from the same town as the ACGM meeting.
I think you're contradicting yourself. Now Dec. 19 is "a month before her due date." And yet you've said before that she had 6-7 weeks to prepare for 4CC. How does that work out?
DeleteDon't really understand what your last point is about. Is that supposed to be intimidating? It's funny that every time people question you, you get all jumpy about whyyyy people feel the need to have these arguments in your blog. If you really didn't want debate, you'd shut down your comments.
"I'm also curious about why there is so much aggressive hostility in this comments section from the same town as the ACGM meeting."
DeleteThat's hilarious. One wonders if the new pregnancy talk has set off alarms and that accounts for the recent swath of weak efforts to offset it by trying to shut down discussion over here.
The way the inner workings of the figure skating community functions is both fascinating and totally indicative of it being made up of people desperate to maintain control over information/gossip/narratives.
"absolutely no fear of going into labor in public."
DeleteHealthy pregnant women do not go into isolation when they're about to give birth, thankfully we're no longer in the 19th century. Lol, the image of Tessa fearfully deciding not to be involved in a show because of concerns about going into labor is hilarious.
Even on their due dates, pregnant women do normal life. All healthy pregnant women I have ever known (including myself during all my pregnancies) run errands, go to shows, the movies, etc., till the very end. So labor might start at any moment. So? Then one goes to where they've arranged to have the baby.
Wouldn't someone who's trying to keep a pregnancy secret from the public (or fans, specifically) have a justified fear of going into labor at a highly public event where you're being watched/filmed/photographed by fans?
DeleteWhy would she keep planning events/shows as she nears closer and closer to her due date? You can pretend to be blind and say that this slim girl is nine months pregnant because she isn't carrying normally and her belly hasn't popped (unlike basically all skinny women in their first pregnancy). Was Tessa psychic? Did she know she would "carry to the back" and never pop out, so she felt free to plan public events for when she was nine months pregnant?
12:14, do you have any idea how labor starts in the real world vs. how it starts on tv and in the movies?
DeleteI am talking about a fear of going into labor and having to leave some event early and in a manner that could catch the public's attention, since she decided to do a skating show while she was, apparently, a week or two away from her due date. I wonder why the audience of Dreams on Ice didn't notice that Tessa was pregnant. Want to answer my other questions? How did she know that her belly wouldn't become noticeable even in her final month?
Delete1:07, I'm a different poster, but your last question is pretty easily explained. She had surgery on her legs in October of that year. They could have pulled out of any later skating shows, citing her recovery/lingering pain, at any moment, even up until the show itself. It's generally pretty easy for athletes/celebrities to pull out of things, especially something as small and local as that holiday show was, for lesser reasons than a surgery recovery would have been.
Delete1:07 - You're projecting how you think you would feel if you were trying to hide a pregnancy plus fears about going into labor.
DeleteExcept for lying to fans and hiding from the general public about Tessa's pregnancy, there's no indication VM did anything to try hiding from those that are part of their real lives. How do you know the people from that Christmas show didn't know anything or notice anything? There was a media blackout and only two fans leaked videos and even they gave no opinion about whether Tessa looked different or not. And I'm sure if they had been asked, they would be protective of their local celebrity and pretend they didn't notice anything. The show was in VM's backyard. And think of the skaters who were in the show, for example Shawn Sawyer. He and the other skaters close to VM know the truth. On that occasion, in that venue, they weren't trying too hard to hide anything.
If Tessa had gone into labor during the show... Eh. She could claim some illness or pulled muscle or whatever and get to the hospital without a great fuss. Going into labor is not the problem you make it out to be. Besides, that show was about a month before giving birth. At that stage, in a pregnancy of no complications, she wouldn't be worried about imminent labor.
1:07, how do you know the audience didn't notice?
DeleteSorry, the previous poster already made this point better than I did.
DeleteIt's certainly a strange decision to do a show so late but it isn't the impossible task some are making it out to be.
I think it was more like a couple of weeks before she gave birth, definitely not a whole month.
DeleteMost women just doesn't go to the hospital when labor first starts. A woman doesn't go from not in labor to full fledged, intense labor instantly. First contractions are typically erratic and may be quite far apart. They may more present as aching in the lower back. Most of the time, labor doesn't start with some dramatic breaking of the water. Even if she'd first gone into labor at that show, there would have been plenty of time, and 1:53 is correct that it would have been easy enough to slip on off if need be.
1:53 - Many of complaining posters in the comments section are doing NOTHING but projecting how they would feel onto how Tessa would feel and act. It's taking narcissism to the nth degree. And it seems to me they really struggle with the reality that there's a distinction between themselves and someone else. Everything refers back to them.
DeleteAND I'm curious why there is so much ignorance about the Olympic athletes who returned to competitive level training weeks after giving birth. I just think that, despite being Scott and Tessa fans, there are many fans who just don't grasp what separates any Olympic level athlete - skater, archer, track and field, etc. - from the rest of us. No comprehension, and no desire to comprehend.
ReplyDeleteScott and Tessa went to the 4CC's and competed the short dance they'd trained virtually throughout her pregnancy. Anybody who reviews the low-to-the-ground lift they did in that dance can see she arches with her chest, shoulders, upper back, head and neck, while her pelvic area is pasted to/girdled to Scott, and her entrance into the lift takes her straight into that position in an extremely stable transition with Scott taking on most of the responsibility for getting her into place while she keeps herself stable. Yes, it takes extraordinary skill, but they have extraordinary skill. It doesn't take any more extraordinary skill to do after pregnancy than before pregnancy, because the move isn't making a range of motion demand on her pelvic area.
In the 4CC's, they bailed on the free dance after about a minute, after looking pretty wobbly (and appearing not to care too much about being wobbly) in the twizzles. Yet some people believe Scott and Tessa went to 4CC's feeling capable of skating the free, no matter what their performance at Worlds tells us (two months later), no matter what the demands on the pelvis/lower back those lifts required at competitive intensity. I don't know if the person who doesn't believe they bailed on purpose doesn't believe it because they don't think she was pregnant, or just thinks skating a free dance, with their free dance lifts, was possible in that time frame, with the specific demands on Tessa's body required in the free that were not required in the short dance. OR they've decided that even though they couldn't, Tessa and Scott THOUGHT they could. I guess condescending to somebody is a two-way street. Scott and Tessa patronize the fans, but boy, when it comes to their skating, their bodies and what their bodies are and aren't capable of executing under what circumstances, it's amazing Scott and Tessa ever made the Olympic team, because fans think they know nothing and consult nobody. Or if Scott and Tessa DO consult doctors, trainers, pt's, etc., these people don't get it or know any better, and fans, the experts, do..
Some pictures on twitter from the various Canadian Olympians making the rounds at Ottawa elementary schools today. Interesting to see Dylan Moscovitch out and about - so I'm guessing that KMT was not in Mont-Tremblant or in Ottawa and we will see her in Calgary...and I died of laughter today with Patrick Chan as he also visited a school today with two other Olympians and guess who is in the background...Barb McDonald and I am like seriously? - all these other athletes don't have a champeron visiting ELEMENTARY schools...with fellow olympians...I can understand Barb traveling with Patrick to Sochi and being there beside him for interviews etc..but now? jesus..leeching at its best...
ReplyDeleteAnyways its good to see some photo-ops...and it appears that both the men and womens curling Olympic gold medalists are doing Tim Horton's Camp days fundraising today,,,
I find this entire conversation both extraordinary and freaking typical Because of course fans know better. Fans know stuff Scott and Tessa failed to consider. Just as fans know better about their feelings. Scott and Tessa don't have the best trainers in the world. Their doctors, sports physicans and Tessa's obgyn, are naive. Their trainers and doctors aren't consulted when Scott and Tessa plan their show schedule. Scott shows up to perform, tries to lift Tessa and says "Holy shit, you must weigh fifteen pounds more than you did at Worlds! How is it even possible for me to lift you now!" because as fans believe, they don't work out the timing, the pace, the compensatory balance adjustments in advance. They don't make the incremental adjustments along the way as Tessa's body shifts. Nope, they forget to do that until it's time to get on the ice and Scott is suddenly faced, right in that moment, with balancing a partner who has gained weight. Oh, the humanity.
ReplyDeleteSome fans also believe that, Olympic athletes or not, there's no way TO work out timing, pace, compensatory balance adjustments. There's only one way to do it; the way they do it at Olympic level competition. OR these fans can't perceive the difference between show lift execution and competition execution.
Katia Gordeeva not only skated throughout much of her second pregnancy, she skated and filmed television programs (including a double twist) weeks after her first pregnancy. She and Tessa were about the same age for their first pregnancy (21). Another thing they have in common is superb technique
Saw pictures of her today from 2 separate events. She's slender and there is absolutely no semblance of a pregnant stomach. Period.
ReplyDelete"Saw pictures of her today from 2 separate events. She's slender and there is absolutely no semblance of a pregnant stomach. Period."
DeleteBWAH HAH HAH HAH HAH
That's the funniest thing I've read in weeks.
Where are these magical pictures? Because she looks pregnant in every pic that I've seen.
DeleteTwitter. There's 5-10 pictures of her from today, in Ottawa. Absolutely no sign, whatsoever, of a pregnant stomach.
ReplyDeleteTry again. There are 5-10 pictures today of a pregnant woman.
Deletehttp://tessavirtueandscottmoir.tumblr.com/post/87422577688
DeleteShe doesn't look pregnant at all. First of all, her arms and upper body are still slim. She's not gaining weight all over as a 3-6 month pregnant woman would do. Her breasts are still normal size, absolutely no sign that they've started to lactate. And most of all, her belly is flat, with no sign of the baby bump that would show by now.
Once again, you have to compare Tessa to Tessa and not they typical non-elite athlete pregnant woman. Tessa is gaining for her. Her breasts are bigger for her. Her body is changing from her usual.
DeleteHow can u tell she "looks" slim--her shirt flares out?
Delete"She's not gaining weight all over as a 3-6 month pregnant woman would do"
DeleteSo much misinformation about pregnancy. Every woman gains differently. There is no such thing as "gaining all over" or "gaining in the arms." Where did you get that? Have you actually been around pregnant women? Most women at 3 months are not showing at all! Nada. They will have gained weight in the boobs and the abdomen is *beginning* to change but not so anyone except the woman herself is able to tell. Even by 6 months it's possible to hardly be showing.
Some gain all over. Many I know have not (nor did I). The only for-sure gaining will be the boobs. Everything else will depend on genetics and lifestyle.
It's ridiculous to be making claims about pregnancy that are generalized and given out as fact. Your statements don't even apply to the majority of women, let alone an elite athlete such as Tessa.
12:07, how can you look at the picture on the right and say her stomach is flat? Look at the line of her belly starting before the belt and continuing after. There's a picture from today where she's talking to Justin Trudeau and even with the loose shirt it's noticeable.
Deletehttps://twitter.com/AdamScotti/status/474240876051312640/photo/1
http://24.media.tumblr.com/d63019289890feaac4a8777dc979c19e/tumblr_n633feQzMt1tt8uwvo1_500.jpg
DeleteThis was taken in the last few weeks....she certainly not trying to hide anything in this dress.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=754834764538705&set=a.754789951209853.1073741864.160795530609301&type=3&permPage=1
ReplyDeleteWere these taken with a disposable camera? WTH.
1:49
DeleteLOL, those look like pictures we used to see put out by Barb MacDonald or Debbi Wilkes.
How can you look at her picture, in the black cutout dress, and say that she's pregnant? That's insane, even for tessa, she's not hiding a single thing in that dress.... No bump seen anywhere, no matter how you try to photoshop that picture
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