Since this fan is convinced Pelletier/Tessa are real, it beats me why she's having twelve shit fits here. What's it to her? Doesn't what she "knows" make her happy?
That's why I think there's the Harry Potter effect. Wishing, focus, intent, visualizing - will make Pelletier/Tessa true. Or, she still hopes that by creating the right climate, people "in the know" will present proof, or she can get the mainstream media to expose them.
The blog is fucking up that mojo. Especially now that the Cassandra antics paired with, I think, wider discussion in the comments section, along with the amount of time the blog has been on line, is making more people accept the fact that Scott and Tessa are husband and wife, and parents.
To this fan, the blog is Voldemort eating people's souls and becoming ever powerful, shutting out good. That Pelletier/Tessa wedding photo is getting fainter and fainter. You can see through it now. Somebody find Dumbledore!
Before S&P divorced, there were rumors of separation, particularly when they broadcast from Vancouver 2010 without their wedding rings. Of course it turns out they were separated then, and had been for some time, but this fan was on fsu.com quoting p.r. quotes from David Pelletier about, among other things, how his whole life got in the car with Jamie and their child. This was enough to establish, for her, that they were together.
As soon as the divorce was announced, she seized on Tessa/Pelletier. She conducted an aggressive twitter campaign targeted at media twitters, badgering them to expose Pelletier/Tessa.
This is, IMO, the most intense "fan" out there - but it's all about Jamie/David, not Virtue/Moir. Tessa is just an extremely necessary element to this fan, an element she needs to be true.
I think when she says the blog will have to eat crow when Tessa and Scott marry others, she's remembering Jamie Sale and Craig Si(a?)mpson, hoping after Sochi, Pelletier will tweet his wedding to Tessa.
This is where Scott and Tessa's "secret" marriage boxes them in. They can't refute rumors like this by going "Ridiculous - we're married." Tessa, in particular has been vulnerable to rumors - this one is the trashiest - because she doesn't usually have a social media boyfriend peeing on her all over twitter and facebook. "Officially" she's a free agent and for awhile there fans enjoyed using that fact to stick it to Virtue Moir fans.
I was pretty curious to see how Virtue and Moir would handle the rumors, as it was unlikely they'd refute them by admitting their marriage. When that entertainment outlet hyped a Virtue Moir segment with a mention of the Pelletier rumors, this poster got bent out of shape excited on twitter, thinking the story would finally "break" into official media outlets.
Of course that didn't happen.
She then tried to sort of pave the way, planting fake stories in hopes the fake stories would encourage real ones to come out of the woodwork. Hence her story about having parked her car one evening in a side street in the town where BOTB was being broadcast, and lo, she just happened to catch sight of Pelletier and a ponytailed Tessa (I think she heavily blind itemed this, a la a Lainey item) scurrying in the shadows (but he had his arm around her shoulders). She was immediately outed, because at this point she's notorious.
And from time to time she shows up on the blog and takes a long long walk leading up to her proposal that it's not Scott/Tessa, but Pelletier/Tessa. She seems to think the blog is presenting a "theory".
I can't help it - I know there's a lot of crazy in fandom but I'd really love to know the emotional calculus that leads to Tessa Virtue, and only Tessa Virtue, being the only reason for the Sale Pelletier divorce that this fan can accept. Her "theories" don't reveal much of the reasoning. They mostly seem to encourage fans to "come out" with Pelletier Tessa stories. "I don't blame her". "She's young" - stuff like that.
When this fan started crazying it up in the comments section, I went to the statcounter to see WTF - is it old friend crazy, or new shooter crazy - and I found so many searches for Pelletier/Tessa it really stuck out. However, from different ISPs, which - hey, if you're dedicated, that can be achieved. Usually Pelletier/Tessa is an occasional search term, not a sudden freaking deluge.
It quite surprised me that in the middle of all of these Pelletier/Tessa searches was a search for "oycanada psycho" as based on the comments history I'd have thought that was a frequent search term, but it actually was a first.
Here are her comments from the blog post below so I can take them off the comments section itself before it blows up to 300 separate meltdowns. As it's not run of the mill, but somebody who sees themselves as "competing" with the blog for the truth, it deserves its own post.
Anonymous
June 14, 2013 at 6:00 PM
"I know for a fact that she's married to Scott and he's the father of her child." No, you don't. Facts require proof. And you have none to offer. The only sham around here is you.
Anonymous
June 16, 2013 at 9:09 AM
If you had proof you would provide even the smallest of details, such as celebrity blogs do in their "blinds" - this protects them from being sued. You have none, obviously. What a joke.
Anonymous
June 16, 2013 at 7:55 PM
So where on this blog is your real identity posted? If you're so outright and unafraid of being sued, then why not come out publicly with your claims? Where are your SPECIFICS of HOW you know at least #1 and #2? You know a nurse at the hospital where the child was born? You have a friend living on the same street as Tessa and Scott and sees them every day? You have a friend at the courthouse where they obtained their marriage license? You know someone that used to work for the wedding caterers? Why the lack of specifics since you are SO SURE it's the truth? It can't be to "protect" anyone if it's TRUE.
AnonymousJune 14, 2013 at 6:07 PM
"He's killing that horse's back." No, he's not. Are you now claiming to be a horse expert? Unless he suddenly had lessons, of course he's not going to have a good seat. Riding horses on vacation is not the same as riding in a show. Of course he's sloppy. You know, when I ride I have on occasion leaned over to speak to a friend, and my equitation was off center for a moment. GASP! I can't believe my horse could even carry a rider after that.
AnonymousJune 14, 2013 at 6:46 PM
I do know a lot about riding and he is killing that horse's back. If you knew anything about it other than what you yourself do when you ride occasionally you'd know that. I'm sure Scott's bad form is no different than yours or any one else that occasionally rides but as he's trained in carrying and distributing his weight or at least skates with the best in the world you'd think he could do a better job. His feet are what really suck and if you knew anything you'd know that. They both look like they're posing and not riding.
Which is fine but it makes the photo look even more ridiculous and yes, it's no fun for the horse.
oc
AnonymousJune 15, 2013 at 5:18 PM
No, you obviously know NOTHING about riding. FYI, I've won three World titles and have been riding for 37 years. You????
What a stupid statement - that a skater should be born knowing equitation? I certainly can ride, but I'm equally sure I would fall flat on my ass skating without lessons.
AnonymousJune 15, 2013 at 5:25 PM
Hilarious to think a guy that probably weighs 165 lbs is KILLING a horse's back by simply leaning over. Quick, call the Humane Society! Or better yet, introduce a new rule with the FEI under Animal Welfare.
AnonymousJune 15, 2013 at 6:41 PM
Oh no ... doesn't this multi-Olympic medal winning rider know she is KILLING her horse's back? http://www.picgifs.com/celebrities/a/anky-van-grunsven/celebrities-anky-van-grunsven-417781.JPG
oycanadaJune 15, 2013 at 7:06 PM
Goodness, I certainly do not have "3 world titles in equitation." What a wonderful word. It really drives home your experience.
How many titles have you won in reading comprehension and context clues.
6:41 - my. That's exactly like Scott. Except for everything.
Anonymous
June 15, 2013 at 8:10 PM
"Goodness, I certainly do not have "3 world titles in equitation." What a wonderful word. It really drives home your experience. How many titles have you won in reading comprehension and context clues."
Apparently more than you, since I never said I had world titles 'in equitation.' Read for comprehension, indeed!
Apparently more than you, since I never said I had world titles 'in equitation.' Read for comprehension, indeed!
Anonymous
June 15, 2013 at 8:13 PM
Yep, Anky is leaning over just like Scott, which you claim is "killing the horse's back." You should bombard Anky with emails expressing your outrage immediately. I'm sure as a fellow equestrian, she would respect your opinion. She could learn so much from you!
Her alignment is nothing like Scott's. I've got to be talking to two very experienced riders here - the title holder would never claim such a thing.
Title holder: You said you had three world titles. In context, it has to be equitation, as the term generally describes horsemanship and you've used the word even when others with your background might be more colloquial. Unless you meant a) I (me, blogger) know nothing about riding; b) you've been riding for 37 years; c) you have 3 world titles in pottery throwing?
Why not say what they're in? Eventing. dressage, show jumping, etc.? Equitation would be accurate for all.
Title holder: You said you had three world titles. In context, it has to be equitation, as the term generally describes horsemanship and you've used the word even when others with your background might be more colloquial. Unless you meant a) I (me, blogger) know nothing about riding; b) you've been riding for 37 years; c) you have 3 world titles in pottery throwing?
Why not say what they're in? Eventing. dressage, show jumping, etc.? Equitation would be accurate for all.
Anonymous
June 16, 2013 at 7:30 AM
She is leaning over - just like Scott. In fact, look at the rider behind her - leaning over EVEN MORE. GASP!!!
You have yet to tell about YOUR experience as a rider - we are all waiting breathlessly. Though, as the real riders know just by reading your comments - you aren't one.
Most rent-a-horses end up lame because of poor conformation, lack of proper farrier work, nutrition (I find it interesting you mention NOTHING about the fact Scott's horse is very skinny - again, another tell tale sign you know very little about horses) and rough ground. Now you know, no need to thank me for educating you.
You have yet to tell about YOUR experience as a rider - we are all waiting breathlessly. Though, as the real riders know just by reading your comments - you aren't one.
Most rent-a-horses end up lame because of poor conformation, lack of proper farrier work, nutrition (I find it interesting you mention NOTHING about the fact Scott's horse is very skinny - again, another tell tale sign you know very little about horses) and rough ground. Now you know, no need to thank me for educating you.
Anonymous
June 16, 2013 at 7:34 AM
No, equitation is not anywhere near the same as dressage, show jumping or eventing because all those events are judged on the horse, not the rider. Of course, one should have good eq to compete in all those events, but that's not always the case. Though, I have done very well in eq and horsemanship. Again, a very obvious sign you are clueless.
Yes it is, your are fucking up your poseurship.
Equitation is a term meaning skill in horsemanship and applies to the disciplines I mentioned and many others, such as hunt seat.
Furthermore, I don't know if you're the Anky poster too, but it's fascinating how legs, feet, hip and shoulder line don't seem to inform this person's idea of alignment that's comfortable for the horse.
There are plenty of assholes in every sport, including horse riding disciplines. Most people I know, though, who work with horses whether training, riding or breeding, see commercial stables as a necessary evil, but an evil nonetheless, because non-riders use the reigns to balance, jut their feet out to the side like Scott, and are off center like Scott (Anky's core stays centered), and these horses put up with a lot. Scott and Cassandra are 'horseback riding in Aruba but look awkward on the horses and with each other. I, for one, am surprised that a guy with Scott's training in alignment can't get it together for a still shot, and I feel bad for his horse, as I feel bad for all horses with that one's job.
Equitation is a term meaning skill in horsemanship and applies to the disciplines I mentioned and many others, such as hunt seat.
Furthermore, I don't know if you're the Anky poster too, but it's fascinating how legs, feet, hip and shoulder line don't seem to inform this person's idea of alignment that's comfortable for the horse.
There are plenty of assholes in every sport, including horse riding disciplines. Most people I know, though, who work with horses whether training, riding or breeding, see commercial stables as a necessary evil, but an evil nonetheless, because non-riders use the reigns to balance, jut their feet out to the side like Scott, and are off center like Scott (Anky's core stays centered), and these horses put up with a lot. Scott and Cassandra are 'horseback riding in Aruba but look awkward on the horses and with each other. I, for one, am surprised that a guy with Scott's training in alignment can't get it together for a still shot, and I feel bad for his horse, as I feel bad for all horses with that one's job.
[It was here I - belatedly - realized the deal here was that if the horse riding conversation could be "last worded", it would unmarry Scott and Tessa]
Anonymous
June 16, 2013 at 7:48 PM
OMG I am laughing my ass off!! "REIGNS"??????? No one with the slightest bit of horse knowledge would make that mistake!!
And please try to use something other than Wikipedia for your horse education. Equitation is a term but it is also a CLASS or EVENT at horse shows. As any horse person would know, when talking about winning World titles if eq is mentioned - we're talking about a specific event, such as equitation over fences.
You made the statement that the act of Scott leaning over was "killing the horse's back" and of course, as any real rider or even a little 4-H kid would know, it isn't. You know less than nothing about horses and this is painfully obvious. Next time you ride try holding the REIGNS a little looser. I wonder if this means the Queen of England REINS over her subjects???
And please try to use something other than Wikipedia for your horse education. Equitation is a term but it is also a CLASS or EVENT at horse shows. As any horse person would know, when talking about winning World titles if eq is mentioned - we're talking about a specific event, such as equitation over fences.
You made the statement that the act of Scott leaning over was "killing the horse's back" and of course, as any real rider or even a little 4-H kid would know, it isn't. You know less than nothing about horses and this is painfully obvious. Next time you ride try holding the REIGNS a little looser. I wonder if this means the Queen of England REINS over her subjects???
You're asinine. That's like saying anyone who works with dogs would have trained and shown dogs at Westminster or won agility events or they don't know anything about dogs. Also you've never heard of typos.
I think there's magical thinking here. If you get the last word, Scott and Tessa won't be real.
I think there's magical thinking here. If you get the last word, Scott and Tessa won't be real.
"Scott and Tessa are married, they have a young child. That is the truth." And yet, still .... not a shred of any kind of evidence, not even a blurry photo. How do you know there is a "legitimate" marriage if you have not personally seen the marriage certificate or attended the wedding? Even brangelina, with all the money they have and all the security, could not pull off this kind of stealth. This whole thing would be laughable if it wasn't so sad. Talk about obsessed. Can't wait till they marry other people so you will have to find a new obsession. Of course, you will probably call those marriages cover-ups as well. We'll see their wedding photos to others, pics of their children with others, and you will still be crying conspiracy and still have no evidence.
Anonymous
June 15, 2013 at 5:06 PM
Again with the hilarious mentions of "truth" and nothing, zero, nada to support it other than a vague reference to "connections to people that know" - good heavens, do you work for Fox News? REALLY? This is all you have. It's laughable and sad all at the same time.
Anonymous
June 16, 2013 at 7:21 AM
No, I think as long as "OC" - coincidence those letters also stand for obsessive compulsive? - continues her SHAM she should be ready to respond to those who question her "facts" - of which, she has none.
Even Lainey Gossip provides blinds with a lot more detail, and certainly she should be more afraid of celebrities with teams of lawyers and unlimited bank accounts.
Even Lainey Gossip provides blinds with a lot more detail, and certainly she should be more afraid of celebrities with teams of lawyers and unlimited bank accounts.
AnonymousJune 16, 2013 at 9:04 AM
Lol I'm not the one making up babies and marriages, then posting them on a blog and answering myself to make it look like I have lots of followers agreeing with me. You take the unhinged cake, dear!
And notice - she STILL deflects rather than straight on answering questions.
AnonymousJune 16, 2013 at 7:38 PM
"I'm not going to be sued and have no need to worry about it, "
Perfect! Then please tell everyone exactly who you are - your real name, location, etc. Since you have NOTHING to hide.
Anonymous
June 17, 2013 at 7:37 AM
Another weak attempt at deflecting. You first dear, since you are the one that put up this blog and claim it's the truth. All I'm asking for is proof, and none has been provided - STILL. The blogger bears the burden of proof by making these accusations in the first place.
AnonymousJune 16, 2013 at 7:35 PM
That's the same question I asked you - what happens after the Olympics, when Scott and Tessa retire and end up marrying other people? You'll make up a divorce? It will be interesting to see how you choose to save face ... or perhaps this blog will just disappear entirely.
AnonymousJune 16, 2013 at 8:14 PM
"I'm not ratting my source out."
Oh but why ever not? Since you say it's the TRUTH, what do you have to fear? The blogger isn't worried about getting sued, why are you??
AnonymousJune 17, 2013 at 7:43 AM
Again, if it's the truth it can't cause anyone any problems. If your "source" works for them, told the TRUTH and got fired, they could sue them for that. Try to make up a better excuse.
AnonymousJune 15, 2013 at 5:02 PM
Yes, it IS your job to convince me if you're going to throw around words like "truth" and "fact" without a single thing to back it up. Of course there wasn't an ounce of hostility in the responses - your attempt at deflecting is weak, but nice try. I also find it amusing how suddenly you get responses one right after the other - all anonymous of course - in "support." Again, nice try. It's obvious one person is responding, most likely the blog author, trying to make it look like several people are supporting her.
AnonymousJune 16, 2013 at 7:32 PM
"There's no reason whatsoever the blog can't say "truth" and "fact" for the rest of its existence"
You're right - you can print whatever fiction you want hiding behind your alias so you can't get sued. But really, it belongs on fanfiction or a similar site. But don't expect anyone with intelligence to believe you when you can't provide a single fact, or even a believable story source. So quit getting pissed off when people call you out on your airy-fairy bs and you have NOTHING to back it up. Not even your own credibility, because you choose to hide behind your anonymous account. A free blog site does not make you credible.
AnonymousJune 16, 2013 at 8:12 PM
If anyone needs meds, it's the blogger. Perhaps that's the problem with her inability to distinguish reality from fiction? Sad, really.
AnonymousJune 17, 2013 at 7:45 AM
So who are these "others" you have "talked to"? Isn't that called hearsay in a court of law? Remember, no one is afraid of getting sued, it's THE TRUTH. Right????
AnonymousJune 16, 2013 at 8:00 PM
"But you can't make a fantasy reality via a fan crusade."
Spoken like someone who knows. Describes this blog perfectly, really.
AnonymousJune 16, 2013 at 8:02 PM
"There's no chance I'm wrong, so there's no need to for the blog to either blind the info or secondary source it."
Especially when you blog completely anonymously and enjoy writing fiction.
AnonymousJune 16, 2013 at 8:10 PM
"I am not 100% following why someone is now on the blog saying this blog can't say what it says without showing the proof"
Maybe people are finally sick and tired of your fiction and of you beating down the naysayers with your multiple alter-egos posing as supporters. You have no proof and don't even have the balls to use your real name, yet claim you are unafraid of being sued. You even claim to be an equestrian and you can't even spell the word "reins" correctly. Get back on your meds and get a life.
AnonymousJune 16, 2013 at 8:04 PM
"People like Lainey don't do legwork. They don't have real sources. "
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!! At least Lainey gives details about her sources, even if vague - you can't even do that!
At least this person is not a Virtue Moir fan. With fans like her around, I'm amazed Sale & Pelletier had the courage to make their divorce public. But as it turns out, what fans know and believe - even the craziest - doesn't have to negatively impact these skaters' real lives or drive them to faking, lying and manipulating.
More:
AnonymousJune 17, 2013 at 6:11 PM
Hmmm ... left out some posts there didn't you??
You claim your horse "knowledge" by misspelling reins was a TYPO? Sorry, adding a "g" in there is no typo. It's a deliberate mistake by someone that doesn't know a thing about horses. The G is nowhere near any part of typing out "reins" - a mistake no horseperson would ever make.
The funniest part of this is I have no interest in the Pelletier rumor. I did suggest, ONE TIME, in trying to understand this blogger's obesssion, if there even was a child (I know now there is not, thanks to the complete lack of any proof or even a shred of credible evidence, despite the ANONYMOUS blogger's bragging they aren't afraid of being sued) perhaps it was by someone else? And the ONLY reason I could think of to establish a cover-up of the magnitude this blogger has made up would be an illegitimate child from an affair, or something of that nature. Because frankly, there is NO legitimate reason for a legally married couple in a sport whose fans WANT them to be together to the point of obsession (sound familiar??) to try and cover up said marriage and legitimate child. In fact, this scenario would BENEFIT them in EVERY professional way: marketing, sponsors, popularity, ticket sales. To try and say they are SO private to MAKE up fake girlfriends/boyfriends, lie in interviews and hurt the feelings of said child in the future is so completely and utterly ludicrous it hardly bears repeating, let alone wasting my time with someone that is obviously very obsessed, very lonely (hence her need to find other to "agree" with her theory - she even makes up followers!) and very deluded.
No one has taken to the time to call out this person until now. And notice how she deflects but never answers the tough questions, remains in hiding behind her anonymous handle but shouts she is unafraid of being sued because she knows THE TRUTH, but cannot substantiate a single account by ANYONE other than "I know someone."
For anyone reading this for their daily amusement, I hope you've enjoyed watching the blogger squirm and unable to answer questions. I also hope, for the handful that might actually buy into this crap, that the curtain has been pulled back enough to reveal the wizard for what she is: a sad, lonely, obsessed person unable to distinguish reality from fantasy.
ReplyDeleteYou claim your horse "knowledge" by misspelling reins was a TYPO? Sorry, adding a "g" in there is no typo. It's a deliberate mistake by someone that doesn't know a thing about horses. The G is nowhere near any part of typing out "reins" - a mistake no horseperson would ever make.
The funniest part of this is I have no interest in the Pelletier rumor. I did suggest, ONE TIME, in trying to understand this blogger's obesssion, if there even was a child (I know now there is not, thanks to the complete lack of any proof or even a shred of credible evidence, despite the ANONYMOUS blogger's bragging they aren't afraid of being sued) perhaps it was by someone else? And the ONLY reason I could think of to establish a cover-up of the magnitude this blogger has made up would be an illegitimate child from an affair, or something of that nature. Because frankly, there is NO legitimate reason for a legally married couple in a sport whose fans WANT them to be together to the point of obsession (sound familiar??) to try and cover up said marriage and legitimate child. In fact, this scenario would BENEFIT them in EVERY professional way: marketing, sponsors, popularity, ticket sales. To try and say they are SO private to MAKE up fake girlfriends/boyfriends, lie in interviews and hurt the feelings of said child in the future is so completely and utterly ludicrous it hardly bears repeating, let alone wasting my time with someone that is obviously very obsessed, very lonely (hence her need to find other to "agree" with her theory - she even makes up followers!) and very deluded.
No one has taken to the time to call out this person until now. And notice how she deflects but never answers the tough questions, remains in hiding behind her anonymous handle but shouts she is unafraid of being sued because she knows THE TRUTH, but cannot substantiate a single account by ANYONE other than "I know someone."
For anyone reading this for their daily amusement, I hope you've enjoyed watching the blogger squirm and unable to answer questions. I also hope, for the handful that might actually buy into this crap, that the curtain has been pulled back enough to reveal the wizard for what she is: a sad, lonely, obsessed person unable to distinguish reality from fantasy.
AnonymousJune 18, 2013 at 7:30 AMHi there, I agree with you. I follow this post for amusement. Scott and I have the same accountant, in London. I asked an innocent question of this person one day... "So, is your most famous client married or available?". He is not married-unless he is lying to the Canada Revenue Service, which I highly doubt. I also place the burden of proof on the blogger. All of these comments are slanderous. It is amusing and sad at the same time.Delete- AnonymousJune 18, 2013 at 8:12 AMWell then, Scott should probably consider finding a new accountant since his is so willing to discuss their client's personal information. Did you also ask how much Scott's reported income is?Delete
- AnonymousJune 18, 2013 at 8:15 AMWhat's your name and what's the name of the accountant?Delete
People need to know not to choose an accountant who gives out personal information like that. - AnonymousJune 18, 2013 at 9:50 AMAnon 7:30Delete
You really think your accountant would reveal personal information about another client?
What a tirade from this "fan." I remember some of her attempts at getting legit media to "expose" Tessa Virtue as the reason for the S/P breakup. She's very delusional.
ReplyDeleteBut this caught my attention:
"But as it turns out, what fans know and believe - even the craziest - doesn't have to negatively impact these skaters' real lives or drive them to faking, lying and manipulating."
It doesn't?
Moirs/Virtues didn't get that message.
I include the Virtues because although silent partners, none of the faking, lying and manipulating would be possible without their consent and participation.
For example, that famous family interview while they were all waiting for Tessa and Scott to show up with their gold medals for a celebration. Tessa's Dad is the one who brought up the subject of dating/relationships. No one asked about it, he volunteered it all on his own.
I watched that again recently and it struck me how out of context it was for him to veer the conversation that way. He was intentionally looking for a way to bring it up and set a certain scenario and make certain statements.
Then of course, the Virtues agreed with the decision to stick Jessica at the front of the family buggy in the Ilderton parade. Among other things.
I would love to know someday exactly what/who set them on this course.
I don't think they get a lot of feedback. Unlike most skater families, the Moirs not only live in a small community, but they're the royal family of that community, and, that community is part of the skating world on top of that. They're at the top of that food chain, and I guess they assumed their status and experience in that environment meant they knew what they were doing, but they didn't. Their status is sui generis (hate the expression but it fits here) but apparently they believe it translates into real world savvy, which clearly, it doesn't.
DeleteI don't think they have a control, or a mirror, or anything against which to measure their behavior. Then there's Skate Canada, and for years the most prominent officials at Skate Canada were freaking idiots when it came to public relations.
Obviously, the native common sense can't be that great, neither can their baseline taste. Even with their life circumstances, a decent amount of both would have prevented them from choosing this course.
OC 12:30 - How do you account for the Virtue's agreement and participation? I wouldn't think they have that same small-town, top-of-the-food-chain mentality. I don't understand how a lawyer gave this a green light and apparently continues to do so.
DeleteWow, that was painful to read. But certainly fair enough to highlight it, OC. Most bizarre to me is the idea that just because something is true, there would be no betrayal of trust or negative consequences from sharing how/what you know. Also love that the fan just happens to have world titles in a random topic that has nothing to do with the main subject of this blog and was only used to make a point. How lucky for her she can undermine your credibility that way.
ReplyDeleteMost bizarre to me is her belief a blog can't be sued if the blogger uses a pseudonym. That's some kind of internet savvy right there.
DeleteThis comes to mind.
Deletehttp://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/2013/05/29/brian_burke_lawsuit_bc_court_grants_him_permission_to_sue_online.html
YOU were the one saying you could be sued - remember? So why not reveal your identity?
DeleteYou can't be sued (successfully) if you are telling the truth, anonymous or not. You can be sued if you are lying, anonymous or not.
Deleteomg...didnt even read it all cuz it was crazier then "the mouth of madness"
ReplyDeleteI think this person especially needs to chill and start taking the blog for what it is and what it is not.
It is interesting.
It is not and should not be a huge issue because it and Tessa and Scott have nothing personally to do with your day in and day out life. They may have made your day once, and that is wonderful, and no one can take that away from you, but you are not in their day in and day out lives as they are not in yours...They have their own lives and we are spectators. I feel as if people forget that.
Blogger has made it pretty clear that they are in Tessa and Scott's day to day lives. That they are more then just a spectator or fan.
Overall, I agree with this comment, but it's not necessarily the case that the blogger is in their daily lives.
Delete"You know a nurse at the hospital where the child was born? You have a friend living on the same street as Tessa and Scott and sees them every day? You have a friend at the courthouse where they obtained their marriage license? You know someone that used to work for the wedding caterers? Why the lack of specifics since you are SO SURE it's the truth? It can't be to "protect" anyone if it's TRUE."
These examples are just the tip of the iceberg, something this poor fan either doesn't or pretends not to understand. (Again, that last sentence boggles my mind). There are easily a thousand examples like this, and many that would be even more sure to be in the know than these. You might be right though, that whatever the blogger's circumstances, they are connected in a way that makes them more than a spectator.
Marina Anissina & Gwendal Peizerat stage surprise comback for Sochi. Thoughts???
ReplyDeleteI don't believe until i see it with my eyes !
Deletethey wont stand a chance lol PB willprolly beat them
Delete"don't they deserve to be happy? cassandra makes scott happy, not tessa. not to start any rumours but...yeah."
ReplyDeleteThis is Heather's last tweet...yes, she is really sensible
Very sensible. Anyone with eyes can tell how miserable Scott is around Tessa. Good thing he has Cassandra there to cheer him up.
DeleteWell yeah, how could Scott stand Tessa's princessy ways. Besides, Cassandra is hotter and prettier. Who would ever look at a Tessa with Cassandra around... according to Heather.
DeleteBeauty is in the eye of the beholder. I don't think that Scott and Tessa are together but there's never any reason to slam Tessa's looks. She's a lovely young woman and so is Cassandra. If Scott is indeed making his choice in romantic partnerships based on purely looks, he's even more shallow than I initially thought.
Delete10:17
DeleteI do think Scott and Tessa are together but I've never thought it was because the choice was made based on beauty. Heather the twitter has tried to make a case that Scott is with Cassandra based on this kind of shallow reasoning, which IMO shows she cannot possibly be someone who knows anything real about him.
Is this person doing all the ranting also the one who said she knew Scott's accountant, who told her Scott is not married?
ReplyDeleteI don't know because it was posted last night and I didn't read it until this afternoon, and the statistic for it had fallen off the timeline (as new views hit the statcounter, older ones fall off). When the blog is busy, the timeline tightens up.
DeleteThis is all getting very bizarre. Is this what Tessa and Scott want to have happen? Their personal life is so open for interpretation and everyone wants to have a go.
ReplyDeleteI think they don't mind the super crazy and bizarre. You'll find that everywhere. That's par for the course.
DeleteWhat Heather is doing is pretty out there, though. A fan who has been briefly followed by three Moirs, who's been called sensible by P.J., who says she attended the golf event, who claims inside knowledge about Virtue Moir, who is more and more using her twitter to take slams at Tessa. Her latest implies Tessa makes Scott unhappy.
The Heather mess is Moir created - they don't fucking think. Or maybe they don't think it's a mess because social media isn't real to them.
That said, a lot of what gets fans agitated isn't real enough to the public figure to matter. It's just noise. A lot depends on what they're doing with their career and public profile. Scott and Tessa can basically, literally afford to do what they choose. They don't particularly need to curry favor with the public. Somebody with broadcasting ambitions, or someone who hopes an enhanced public profile will lead to any number of career opportunities is going to care a lot more about what's out there. If you're independent, financially speaking, it doesn't have to matter.
And that said, I think they mind speculation and bizarre theories much less (Scott joked about fans right after the Olympics) and mind about having their family called out and their actual behavior called out somewhat more. Not a great deal, obviously, but they mind that more than they mind fan stuff.
DeleteI think it's insane that two immensely talented athletes, who have won the highest titles in their sport, seem to care so little about their public image. If Scott is dating Cassandra, he should get out there and just say so. Put an end to this "nonsense" about Tessa for once and for all. As it is, any yahoo with a social media account can start claiming things to be true. I don't know where the truth lies and at this point I'm so confused that I'm almost ready to just walk away.
DeleteIf Scott and Tessa are married and have a young daughter, then all the best to them. They're gonna need it.
people who shame tessa for her past relationship with DP and call her a homewrecker are a bunch of misogynists. tessa is an attractive woman she can go out with whoever she wants. its her private life idgaf who she goes out. its DP who is the homewrecker/asshole here. jamie should've known better than to marry a cheater because once a cheater always a cheater. even if she was going out with him, im glad that relationship is over.
ReplyDelete"people who shame tessa for her past relationship with DP"
DeleteThere is no past relationship between Tessa and DP.
You're doing that thing again where you want to pretend it's a fact. It's a lie.
I don't think you're the ranting lunatic who has been all over this blog as of late, but I do think I know who you are because only one person seems fond of claiming people are misogynists. Tessa never dated David Pelletier. There was never any relationship between them other than a professional one and I personally think that was ill-advised at best. He is a cheating asshole and they should have steered well clear of any association with him and Jamie Sale in the first place.
Deletethe thing is there is no proof proving that her relationship with DP was a rumour people started to sabotage her. nor is there proof that she was actually with him. my point is whether its true or not people shouldnt be raging misogynists because the people who claim that it is true frame their arguments around slut-shaming tessa.
ReplyDelete4:57
DeleteUnlike the huge amount of public domain material that points to Scott and Tessa being together, there is absolutely nothing that ever pointed to Tessa being with DP. You seem to believe that no proof equals possibility. It does not. You just wish it were true or was possibly true. It was always a lie and always a fabrication.
you digress
Deletei dont wish it were true - i just dont care. who she goes out with is non of my business. and she should'nt be judged on that.
This has nothing at all to do with the current topic, but really, D/W need help to do this move? http://instagram.com/p/atXLkftoqW#
ReplyDeleteAlso, the rumor that D/W are using Scherazade for their FD? I suppose it'll work for the stock FD.
Maybe Derek's trying to wrench Meryl's right hand off Charlie. "That's it Meryl, let go now...let go, let go NOW" Unlikely...the grasping and tethering will continue...
Delete"No Meryl! Just let go and look into his eyes! You have to trust Charlie!"
DeleteCan someone take clips of D/W's previous free dances and set them to Scheherazade? That should give us a pretty good idea of what this could look like.
Well, that looks like same old same old with Derek just trying to improve the lines. Meryl holding on with both hands. Both of her blades on the ice. Charlie in a spread-legged stance. I don't think much work has been done on the actual skating, just the presentation of the skating, because it's too late in the game for them to actually skate their programs.
DeleteIt is a little different for them, maybe we'll get a Tango-esque wipeout this season.
DeleteAnd now there's this: https://vine.co/v/huzervzp6YU
DeleteSomeone, make it stop.
Is she wearing pointe shoes? LMFAO.
DeleteI seriously can't stop laughing, this is glorious. I know what the theme of the program is now - an ode to their speedskating teammates. What are they even supposed to be doing???
Deleteno she isnt wearing pointe shoes those are just regular slippers. lol but i bet she cant even dance on pointe.
DeleteIn every DWTS season, there comes a point when Derek snaps. I'd love to be there when that happens. Unless it was in his contract that he has to pretend they are good.
DeleteBwahahaha to anon 9:28. Yes. He's a perfectionist, and he fully realizes when he's not working with true talent (he had such a bitchface on finale night with Ricki Lake).
DeleteSurprise, surprise! Look who skated to Scheherazade once a upon a time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Cttmf6lDIk
DeleteCan you picture Charlie in that get-up?
Guess we know who Marina favors now...
DeleteNot if she dresses them like that. If DW are skating to Scheherazade, it's just going to be the same ol', boring stock free dance and I bet I know exactly what the twizzles will look like!
DeleteMarina didn't come up with or choreograph G&G's Scheherazade program. Tatiana Tarasova did. :)
DeleteIf DW does skate to Scheherazade, I wouldn't read too much into it...choreographers constantly recycle music (Lori Nichol being the most repeat offender), Marina is no different.
DeleteBut whoever made those costumes for G & G should be shot.
@ anon 7:01 wow can you imagine D/W wearing turbans that would definitly be culturally sensitive amirite?
Deletehope v/m's choice is much more classier and less gimmicky.
The more I think about it, the more I think Scheherazade is perfect for D/W, because it is big and bombastic...they need big and bombastic music to distract from their raggedy-ass skating. They couldn't skate to a subtle piece like Mahler, because that would require actual skill, technique, and flawless execution to interpret.
DeleteWhat the freaking heck with that twitter going on about Scott being so unhappy with Tessa.
ReplyDeleteNot that I believe any of it, but it's ridiculous how anyone who endorses that sham is all about Scott. It could never be, of course, that Scott is the one making Tessa unhappy. NO. Tessa is the bad one and Scott is the golden boy.
Do they hear themselves at all? It's such a diss to Tessa. Now she's not only not beautiful enough for Scott, but she's not capable of making him happy. Hence, his need for Cassandra.
(rolleyes)
This is getting out of hand, I'm definitely leaning towards troll over Ilderton community member. Someone should remind PJ what a sensible person this Heather is.
DeleteDon't you know ? They barely talk to each other at the golf tournament...now they hate each other
Deletethat twitterer makes me so sad... i hate to think that they didn't speak to each other...
DeleteWho knows. I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't all that close off the ice. Scott has his girlfriend and Tessa has whoever she might be dating at the present time. They each live their own separate life. Kind of ridiculous to expect them to be joined at the hip all the time, no?
DeleteAs to the supposed rumour that they're going through a rough patch, also wouldn't surprise me. They were dealt a tough blow last season and if Tessa has been dealing with another injury or a serious flareup of CECS, then it's hard on Scott.
Anon 4:14
DeleteYou have not been paying any attention to VM's relationship in the past decade if you think a podium disappointment and/or problems with CECS will cause Scott to have bad feelings and take it out on Tessa.
Nothing you speculate is based on the facts of what we've seen in how they relate or how they handle life. It's all in your mind and that's all.
Well said, 5:56.
Delete4:14, Tessa and Scott are married. And neither Tessa nor Scott is unhappy with the other.
Delete1) fans want drama so they can have a front row seat,
2) how fans think it works isn't how it works. 99% of the conflict partners experience is skating-related. Commitment, work ethic, clutch performance, loyalty, etc. Scott and Tessa have complete faith in each other. Anybody who speculates they're conflicted doesn't understand skating, or how extraordinary Tessa is, or how extraordinary Scott is, or how well each understands that about the other.
IDK, losing at Worlds in your hometown, in front of your family and your girlfriend is a pretty big deal and if you want to lay the blame on someone, it's Tessa's fault. I'm not saying that's the case but no one else thinks it at all possible that Scott is maybe harboring some discontent toward her?
DeleteAnon at 10:15 am - Are you serious? Any true V/M fan knows that D/W's scores have been inflated over the last 2 years and Scott is well aware of that. Do you actually think that Scott would rather skate with Meryl Davis than Tessa Virtue? He actually stated in an article that he reviewed the tapes at Worlds and he was fine with the skating. Let's not forget that we will never know what injury occurred at this year's 4CCs FD with Tessa and how that affected their training pre-Worlds. And seriously if winning your 6th straight Worlds medal is a disappointment - well Ms. Hilborn has some pretty big shoes to fill...
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DeleteI think Scott has learned to be diplomatic in this area. VM outskated DW all season but the judges did not give points based on anything that was really happening on the ice. Scott's no dummy.
Historically it has never done any good for the current competing skaters to make accusations of corruption. Scott knows exactly what's going on but he's saying the only acceptable things in this situation. It's up to others within the skating community to bring up the inconsistencies in the ice-dance scoring and the corruption that led to the present scoring.
No matter what Tessa is or not dealing with physically, she is still better than Meryl any day, including this last Worlds. 10:15 is just trolling trying to put Tessa in a bad light and trying to justify why she thinks Scott is with Cassandra. Nothing h/she says makes sense.
"IDK, losing at Worlds in your hometown, in front of your family and your girlfriend is a pretty big deal and if you want to lay the blame on someone, it's Tessa's fault. I'm not saying that's the case but no one else thinks it at all possible that Scott is maybe harboring some discontent toward her?"
DeleteScott's wife is Tessa. He's skating with his wife. He has no girlfriend in the stands. I also think you seriously don't understand their priorities when it comes to each other. Don't overstate what Worlds means to them. Furthermore, if the scoring had been appropriate, they'd have won, as DW were hugely overscored.
Let me point out exactly how discontented Scott is:
Two years before the Olympics, Tessa got compartment syndrome. Her mother would have preferred if she retired rather than put herself through what she decided to do. She and Scott won the free dance at Worlds 2008 and the bronze in 2009 where Scott made a twizzle error in the od and slipped in the fd, and the scoring was blatantly political. She was 19 and did it on about 5 run throughs, and in pain.
Maybe more than the Olympics, Scott wanted to marry Tessa. It's not an exageration to say it was his lifelong wish. She married him when she was 20, at the start of the Olympic season. How many couples do you think would gain strength from starting a marriage at such an intense, stressful time, instead of waiting til it was over? Strong, in love couples? How many?
Do you know how in love you have to be, how necessary to each other, how part of each other, to want to do that under the circumstances, at that age?
How about after the gold medal, at 21, Tessa gives Scott a child, and comes back to compete at Worlds? She's independent, she likes her space, but look what she did because of how they feel about each other. What does it say about what ELSE is important to them that they had a baby BEFORE Sochi? She'll be 24 - that's not young enough?
Discontent with TESSA because of fucking worlds? You realize if Scott gave those kinds of fucks about Worlds or any skating competition, they wouldn't have the baby, right? A baby that could have increased pressure on her legs, jacked up her body or her health, set them back? They didn't give a fuck - they wanted a family together and they wanted that family when they had it. It wasn't an accident - it was planned. You realize if all they cared about was winning they didnt have to skate Carmen which required near fucking magical skating and athletic skills from Tessa that no other skater on earth could perform. Do you think Marina couldn't cook up a program that used their great skating plus musical and visual trickery that could achieve what it does for DW only double? Do you think they were forced to skate a program that exposed them like that? That they didn't understand they were doing it the hard way? They could have done it the easier way - visual pizzaz plus better skating = even the ISU would have trouble scoring DW over them.
Discontent - my God. In many ways, Scott is married to superwoman. It's unbelieveable to me people can see the choices they make on the ice and off and then speculate Scott would be discontented because of the outcome in London. Do you think he doesn't understand the difference between how Tessa skates and how Meryl skates? Do you know it's a choice to do the programs they skate? Do you think they can't make it easier on themselves making the elements much easier, more theatrical/flashier, and in between do fancy fakery on two feet? Can't Tessa do some skipping, hopping, pose lifts and two feet as well, better and more clever than Meryl? The mistakes are a consequence of the incredible high level of risk in their programs and the calibre of skating they require, and it's not needed to win- in fact it hurt them, but it was their choice.
I don't know how people can be VM fans and not ever get even what's obvious about them, let alone the rest of it.
P.S - Scott loves Tessa and they love to skate together and when you're the best in the World you compete at these events and expect want to win because that's how it is when you're the best. But up against any kind of wall, what matters to him is skating with Tessa. What matters to him is her. At the end of the day he'll tell everything else to get bent - the medal, the judges - everything - not give a shit. What he was seen saying to her before Carmen is who he is. Do it together, just him and her, and fuck the world. She's the one worried about letting down the team. She's the one worried about oh it's London, oh I have to be perfect even though there's no other woman on earth who could skate this program. She's the one taking on too much responsibility even thought there's so much that is out of her control, so much scoring that has nothing to do with how something was skated.
DeleteHe's the one saying forget everyone but me, as I forget everyone but you, and do it for ourselves. That is who he really is at his core when it comes to her.
There actually is satisfaction for them in being them, being able to skate together like that, in a program like that, that transcends the podium placement and he is the one who remembers that more than her, so discontent is some kind of joke.
PS all the talk DW and VM did after Worlds about what a great 'storyline' it is to have alternating World titles going into Sochi all but telegraphed they know it's storyboarded.
Deletenaaaaah i dont think they are going through a rough patch. imo what happened at worlds strengthen their relationship. i felt like the old tesssa and scott i feel in love with @ vancouver 2010 were back. i do feel, however that they were going through a rough patch after tessa's second surgery.
DeleteI get what you're saying, OC, and that's all well and good, assuming they're married but they're not. They're not even together. And you like to mock those who write fanfic? That was a pretty nice yarn you spun there.
Delete@ oycanada 8:38 your post reads like a RPF.
DeleteNo, it does not. Also, as anyone knows, the blog is about the fact that they're married. If someone wants to not believe it and say so, while acting like at least an arguably sane, unagenda'd poster while doing it (and it's my call what that is, there's no other way to do it), they can say they don't believe it.
DeleteThe blog is NOT a place for alternate, fictitious realities- which means, not a place for people to discuss them and offer opionions as if they're NOT married, because they are.
There's no point in comments that premise that Scott and Tessa are NOT married and don't have a baby, because they do. It's just passive aggressive bullshit, because it's not saying what an individual poster believes, it's pretending something that isn't true, IS true, and that's not appropriate, and the blog is the last place to host that kind of shit.
Furthermore, it's not remotely like RPF. Anybody who knows what Scott and Tessa's relationship actually is - married with a child, who knows when they got married, when they had a baby, and doesn't understand we are looking at a relationship of unusual intensity, depth and connection, is clueless. People don't do that and thrive unless there is a very organic, natural, compelling and symbiotic love and connection. Not every successful, in love couple functions like that, but these two do.
Furthermore, people who say things like "Scott must be discontented" and ignore the choices they have both made about the programs they skate, can't possibly know a fucking thing about figure skating and what kind of skaters would make those choices, nor what's important to those skaters.
You can call it egocentric of them, but they trust themselves more than they trust the "system". They want to set themselves up to win, they want to play by the rules, but they don't want to pander to the rules or pander to the judges. They, and I think Scott especially, think they are smarter than that, better than that, and what they think matters most, and IMO they are correct. They don't want to be less than they are.
Anyone who thinks a man is going to be discontented with a partner who got to the Olympics on no legs, basically, was the reason he was able to win the Olympic gold that has become the pride and joy of HIS home town and HIS family, a woman who married him during the Olympic season and afterwards gave him a child and still made it back for Worlds, who was willing to take on a program like Carmen, anyone who thinks this guy doesn't support her beyond what 100% is, must think Scott is some kind of troll.
More on this poster who pretends they're not married and is using specious logic both here, and, I suspect, on twitter - I don't think Heather is "Heather" as such, I think "Heather" has been to this blog before that twitter sprung up and has stirred the shit under a different name. I am not the only person who suspects this. I believe Heather is conducting one-sided, fantasy conversations on twitter with some of the subjects of her twitter and is not actually interacting with them. I think the Moirs were flaming idiots for following without checking it out because any idiot knows that twitter is FULL of shit-stirring, particularly on this topic, but an idiot by any other name is still a Moir (okay, low blow).
DeleteThe pattern of this poster has always been to sound reasonable but then escalate because they want a reaction. They go OTT and start saying whatever to be provocative. So I'm not going to pretend I don't recognize shit stirring when I see shit stirring, and the comments section isn't for shit stirring.
I'm not here to start arguments nor am I this "Heather" character from Twitter. I'm just trying to figure out how someone can be so damn sure that Scott and Tessa are married and have a child when all evidence points to the contrary.
DeleteAs someone who has been a fan of ice dance for a couple of decades now and as a fan of V/M, it's very frustrating to watch what has been happening with the judging. (D/W and their marks in general are frustrating to me--at this point, V/M certainly isn't the only team to have been negatively impacted by this, although their case is by far the most egregious.) Their skating--what they actually do out there on the ice--is one of the few areas (if not the only one) in which V/M conduct themselves with integrity. Of course they could "dumb down" their skating, but I'm proud of them for not going there. I don't want them to be any less than what they are out there on the ice. At several different times in the past, both Tessa and Scott have said that they want to challenge themselves. For D/W, it's a challenge to stay upright--heck, they can't even skate into or out of an element... For V/M to challenge themselves, it takes programs like Carmen. It's full of risk, of course, but if the judging were correct, then they'd still have won everything last year, even if not perfect.
DeleteAnon @9:00
DeleteI agree. Even with VM's very minor mistakes, they are so far ahead of the field. They should have still been some points ahead of the nearest competitors. The judges have decided DW are equal if not better and that is straight-up falsehood in the judging. In Canada it has been happening also at the National level, where they've awarded undeserved points to G/P for crappy skating.
It doesn't send a good message to all the hard-working ice-dancers. They're being told that tricks and camouflaged bad skating will be rewarded over great skating. Be flashy. That's what wins. It's terrible.
Anon at 9:14 am - well said. It's funny when you see skaters with excellent basics - they can skate to any choreography. I am making a prediction that 2014 Sochi will be the only Olympics with the team event. After that dud..the Olympic Committee will find another extreme sport to replace it with...
Delete"I'm not here to start arguments nor am I this "Heather" character from Twitter. I'm just trying to figure out how someone can be so damn sure that Scott and Tessa are married and have a child when all evidence points to the contrary."
DeleteAll evidence most certainly does not point to the contrary. That doesn't even make sense.
Somebody can be damn sure by knowing things that are not on the web or the official version of things. KNOWING them. That's how. There's plenty of stuff to know that's not on the web, and not only about Scott and Tessa, although certainly there is nothing out there as stupid as what Scott and Tessa do on the web.
I have to say it always kills me when fans don't understand that public is public, that the public figure is always absolutely aware when they're in public and conscious of what they do and how they come across - at least when they're in any kind of position like Scott and Tessa's when the public version of something contradicts private reality - and especially when fans don't understand that a damn photograph is a photograph. It's not reality.
Do you guys think Tessa is rich and spoiled? I mean, she does like to order from room service and enjoys expensive clothing etc.. Is that the princessy Heather was referring to?
ReplyDeleteI think Tessa is comfortable and used to having certain things in her life. Anyone trying to use that as a reason why Scott would never be romantically involved with her is horribly off-base considering that his present girlfriend, by her own words, is ridiculously spoiled.
Delete12:54 -- Adding to what 4:07 said, being used to certain things IMO is not spoiled when at the same time you have a work ethic - since childhood - that has catapulted you into the elite of athletic abilities. Tessa doesn't have time to spend her free time clubbing and bar-hopping. She's too busy staying in shape and being a mother. In my book, that is certainly not spoiled. Cassandra, otoh....
Delete4:21, exactly. Tessa has a deeply ingrained sense of what it means to work hard and achieve results. I would never call her spoiled. I also agree that she doesn't have the free time that most young women her age do. I don't think she's a mother but she is involved with school and keeping in such amazing shape must take a lot of dedication!
DeleteTessa is most definitely a mother.
DeleteI think Heather meant "prissy". IOW, not someone who'd get drunk in a golf cart and tweet selfies in her pajamas. Tessa likes to look polished and finished and she also looks ladylike (no matter how short, skin baring or tight her clothes, she always looks the model of propriety) so to some that = "princessy a/k/a asexual, uptight, a/k/a these people are clueless.
DeletePlease notice that Heather appears to be a complete fake. It's a comment on the Moir stupidity that they initially 'followed' her, not on Heather's proximity to Scott Moir.
What's interesting about this idea is the concept that Scott's some type of wild child. In his own way, and taking the word under advisement, he can match Tessa prissiness for prissiness. He's neat. Extremely clean. Very very disciplined. Very very respectful of rules he respects. He is very disciplined, almost ascetic in some ways. He likes tough, disciplined people. Tessa is the toughest person he knows. He's not a fan of personal drama or narcissistic excess. It's ironic that how the sham has been conducted produces fake gf personas that are the opposite of what would appeal to him in real life.
DeleteI agree that Heather probably meant prissy instead of princessy, but I wouldn't define any of the traits listed out as prissy. Then again, in my family, we use prissy as a term to describe someone who thinks they're too good to get dirty or to lift a finger to help with household chores.
DeleteThe people who insist that Tessa is a prude for dressing in a classy, ladylike manner drive me nuts. I've long thought that Tessa could write a book worth buying and paying for that outlined how young women can and should dress themselves.
"It's ironic that how the sham has been conducted produces fake gf personas that are the opposite of what would appeal to him in real life."
My guess is that it's not irony but by design that the sham girlfriends' personas are opposite of what he actually does find appealing. What he finds appealing, to state the very obvious, is Tessa. So, the sham girlfriends get personas that are the exact opposite of that.
If Tessa is a mother, and fine, I'll buy it because I suppose perhaps she did look pregnant in a weird not-really-showing kind of way, it's not Scott's baby.
DeleteHeather, is that you?
DeleteIt's Scott's baby. He's her husband.
DeleteMaybe I'm just an old fuddy-duddy but how does Scott have the time and energy for a series of serious girlfriends AND a wife? Clearly the man is a machine.
DeleteScott doesn't have a series of girlfriends. He has a wife. And a child.
ReplyDeleteOT - the blog just finished engaging with a demented one-upmanshipper and I don't think the blog gave out numbers for a passive aggressive one to take their turn next. It's not real commenting, it's just bullshit slinging and competition.
OT - there's been some discussion here about how fans think - the ones that don't believe or pretend not to believe - that Scott and Tessa are married and have a kid. One that hasn't been discussed are the handful of Scott Moir fangirls who don't like to think of him with someone like Tessa, who prefer to think of him with someone a little less threatening and perfect, so that Scott remains more relatable to them and accessible to them. It's odd because except for, I think, possibly Alexei Yagudin in the 2000s, figure skating fandom is largely female oriented - meaning, it's the female skaters who tend to have the fan base, it's the female skaters who tend to get the focus in both dance and pairs. On the internet, it flips with fans claiming to be bored by ladies skating and drooling over the men in teams while treating their partners like foils or interchangeable supporting players to the guy's star turns. It's one of the ways that internet fans differ from fans in the public at large.
Just anecdotally, the people I know who aren't on the internet and watch skating, zero'd in on Tessa when they first watched Virtue Moir, and still do. Journalists who don't routinely cover skating tend to do the same. It's not because Scott is less or any man is less, that's just the tendency.
I'm a longtime skating fan & I watch Tessa mostly but I also watch both of them. I now many figure skating fans who do the same. While yes for non-skating fans, they usually watch the girl.
DeleteOnce again using the same playbook...
ReplyDeletehttps://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151733333291318&set=a.455338361317.235830.506096317&type=1&theater
I'm envious of the d/w fans...they have pics from practice while our "road to sochi" is Scott and the horse plus Scott at the wedding...As a simple fan of their skating from 7 years, now i'm really tired of all this ...
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DeleteI think all the fans are sick and tired of this. If Scott and Tessa want privacy that's fine. Fans can respect that. There's no need to substitute instead with this crap. Exactly what do they think is gained? They all look stupid and I'm sorry Scott, I'm not buying any of it, even if you take your shirt off at the beach. Please stop disrespecting your real family like this.
I'm sure Miss Cass has pictures enough to last all season long. Sorry honey, Not Buying It.
is that from brooke castile's wedding?
DeleteWhatever wedding it was, I'm sure it was this past weekend. Contrary to one of the patterns with Jessica, this time around they don't seem to be banking bunches of photos for later dates. I think they've pretty much been showing them very close to the dates they were taken. Which makes me think on this point they paid attention to something the blog had brought up several times.
DeleteI'm also certain the tone is mocking. They know the fans are waiting to see photos from Tessa and Scott's charity golf. Instead what do we get? Yep. Same smartass playbook.
"is that from brooke castile's wedding?"
DeleteWhat does the invite say when Tessa and Scott get invited to a wedding? "Mr and Mrs Scott Moir AND guest"? I doubt it's a skater's wedding, JD worked because she was invited anyways.
They seem to have gotten over whatever hesitancy was happening with the first vacation photo. They are disgusting.
Maybe Cassandra Was with Scott at the event in Queenston Heights ?
DeleteAnd Cassandra has a new, gross profile pic on Twitter.
ReplyDeleteMoirville, SMH. I'm so sick of this crap.
Is someone blackmailing them? Is someone holding their child hostage?? WHY WHY WHY??? As if 2009 wasn't disgraceful enough. Considering the circumstances this is 10x worse.
DeleteWhy? Uhhh, maybe because Scott isn't married to Tessa and Cassandra is free to post whatever pics of she and her bf that she wants? At least she seems to be exercising more discretion than Jess and is keeping the kissing ones either more private or to herself. They're probably having a good laugh over everyone's concern for Scott's nonexistent child.
Delete@4:14 It's a stone-cold hard fact that Tessa and Scott are married to each other and have a child together.
Delete6:03, you should probably do a better job of checking your facts before making such statements.
Delete@7:49 I'm 100% certain that my facts are 100% accurate.
Delete6:03's facts are on point. Someone who is having a crisis of confidence or thinks they know otherwise is either misleading themselves or has allowed themselves to be mislead but the facts are they are married with a child.
DeleteWHY are they doing this? They're doing it because they've always done it, they're entrenched, they keep on-upping, and IMO it's made them hostile, as people become when they feel cornered in some way. Especially by people who are less than they are.
They will never cop to the fact that their own meanspirited treatment of the fans provoked what little exposure they've experienced. That exposure has only been on the blog and a few places that tentatively talk over what's on the blog. The end.
There is a village involved in this and I think they believe it can all be swept under the rug much more easily under Sochi. I wonder sometimes if they fear that having the baby be official will influence how much the judges trust them - the 4CCs 2011 comes to mind. IMO that occasion was no harm, no foul, but I am convinced the withdrawal was calculated, that the bitchery around their stop-and-start in 2013 was displaced bitchery about what they did in 2011. People don't want to touch what they did in 2011 so they use 2013 to beat them with instead.
They have all the paranoia of any figure skater and I could see them rationalizing that they can't upset the apple cart now, prior to the Olympics, without opening up a backlash inside the sport as well as outside - inside meaning judges.
I don't know if their WOULD be any, but in view of how emotional, personal and paranoid many skaters are about judges, how many of them are convinced that perception carries as much weight as reality, how many believe in intangibles influencing scoring as much as skating, I can see them falling on that as the latest excuse to continue being dicks.
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ReplyDeleteDo you have your own source or it's just because of the blog?
My question as we'll. How are so many people so sure of something with little or no proof.
DeleteMy own source, who is someone I know in person and have for years.
DeleteJust because you don't have proof doesn't mean that I and others don't.
Does your source know THEM in person?
DeleteMy source is close enough that they know 100% for sure that Tessa and Scott are married with a small child.
DeleteYes is right Tessa and Scott are married with a little child presumed to be a girl. But the question is..why this????? photos with cassandra are disgusting! but there really scott goes on vacation with her? I wonder .. if the relatives know, colleagues skaters know, journalists know, Canadians know this, most of the fans have understood it .. but to those who were concealing or rather inventing a different reality ?? bho!
Delete@10.29 Then why do you think there are so many people who state that they know the opposite (no marriage and no child)?
DeleteAnd why didn't T&S vacation together this year?
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DeleteAnd of course you know for a certainty Tessa and other family members were not with Scott (and Cassandra) in Aruba? Photos do not tell the story. They are lying with their photos.
Cassandra write on twitter... love the life you live. live the life you love... you cassandra what life you love live??? to be what you are not?
Delete@10.54 Probably they don't. But as an average internet user I don't see any other story. No blurry photos. No reports from those who have seen them on vacation together or with a kid.
DeleteAnd is it even possible to make them come out? I mean if it is all true it have to be possible
11:06 Who is going to run to the internet to report seeing them? What for?
DeleteI can assure you that under Moirville's direction, Cassandra Hilborn is perpetuating a hoax on the public.
@11.15 But people do. For ex. a girl was serving them food a few weeks ago and tweeted about it.
DeleteI would just like to say that if I had my own source or evidence, I wouldn't have a problem with exposing them at all.
ReplyDelete12:00 Agreed.
DeleteOr at least give a hint of where I've taken this information.
You would expose a source who has asked not to be identified? Or risk alienating your own friendship with that source?
Delete12:24 No one asks for names. Just for a little more detailed information. Like, does the source interact with them at a daily basis? Works at the rink? Lives in the neighbourhood? Anything from the real life.
Delete12:35
DeleteStop badgering. No one should be saying anything about the sources, not even the tiniest detail. You're either going to have to believe them (they are not obligated to answer any questions and no, you don't have the right to know) or go find your own sources. And then show you have character by not betraying them nor sharing any "detailed information."
Then you, 12:00pm, and all of you ignorantly saying so, will never have a source. And if you did, you'd lose that source immediately.
DeleteFurthermore, if none of you can think of any reasons why sources or descriptions of sources aren't shared on this blog or by others who have them, a source isn't the only thing you seem to lack. You also lack common sense and context.
Just because you lack common sense and any type of understanding, does not require that I or anyone else humor that in you and give you what you want.
I love how many posters come here parading their misguided assumptions as if they're reality, without bothering to real world test - or even google test - their assumptions.
I have never said how I know. Yet posters have demanded that I publish photographs.
I have never said I have "a" source, "multiple" sources, know first hand or a combination of all of the above plus more, and yet ... this shit.
I agree with 12:44. Go find your own. Figure skating is one of the most accessible sports out there. If someone was THAT dedicated they could find out for themselves. Of course they'd have to NOT be idiots, or they wouldn't learn a damn thing.
Plenty of people have proof, but haven't shared the proof. There's a difference.
ReplyDeleteAn earlier person on this blog shared the minute number of people likely to recognize Scott and Tessa AND have social media accounts AND be inclined to immediately reveal on the web. Very small.
Scott and Tessa do vacation together. Do people really think what's inside a photo frame shows everything? Watch people anywhere take photos. It's a photo. That's all it is. There's a world outside that frame we're not shown.
The person who says they wouldn't protect their source and wouldn't have problems sharing is showing why they themselves probably don't have many sources. If you can't think of the MANY reasons you wouldn't report, then you're not really thinking, and your logic about the entire situation isn't rooted in common sense.
Then, where do you lead us? What is the point of all that? I do find their behaviour weird and I do want to believe everything you say is true. But apparently we will never ever get ANY sort of evidence and will die with no confirmation of the rumour (which will remain the rumour, not a fact). Also apparently no one will ever call them out. Right?
DeletePlenty of us who have no immediate sources have more than enough evidence. If you aren't convinced by what is publicly available, I think it's likely that NOTHING, except perhaps words from V/M's own lips, would satisfy you. I also think the blogger has made it infinitely clear that the point of it is not, and has never been, to convince you. My understanding is that is has been to chronicle what's happened - first, because it's interesting, and second - to push back against the rotten way V/M has treated fans - something the blogger can do regardless of whether all fans believe them or not.
Delete1:02 then I guess you will have to live with uncertainty until Scott and Tessa decide to behave like fucking grown-ups and reveal that they've been married since 2009. As I don't think Scott and Tessa intend only to have one child, they'll either have to admit it (or leak it) or keep subsequent children out of the media too. I'm interested to see just how far the skating media - the PJ Kwongs, Tracy Wilson, the networks that broadcast figure skating - are willing to pretend they don't know Scott and Tessa are married with a family, and for how long they would be willing to enable that. If they keep their hands off, that's fine but enough of them have been hands on misleading the public.
Delete8:00pm - precisely, this blog was created to chronicle Scott and Tessa's treatment of fans. I admit I was pretty appalled that they continued to do what they did when Tessa was pregnant - the photo spams, the public wall conversations, and the overall nastiness and mockery. Part of it was distaste - I, personally, found it grotesque that a married soon-to-be daddy would slime himself on facebook simply in order to one up his fans and supporters.
That says nothing good about him. I found Moirville and Skate Canada (when it was more involved)'s treatment of fans and supporters entitled, petty, nasty and belittling.
I knew THEY knew. So I figured setting up a blog to just have an on line record of what they did was a completely worthwhile task. Even if fans didn't believe it - THEY knew it. I didn't do it to affect them, but to just have it up there - look you little shits, people KNOW what you're doing - a lot of people, they are just too polite to say so, which is more than you deserve, considering how you treat people. That was the feeling I had when I started.
There's a defensive driving course that makes a strong point about drunk driving. That every drunk driver who makes it home in one piece doesn't realize how many other drivers made it possible - saw the erratic speed or other indications of impaired control, and stayed out of the way.
Virtue and Moir's social media activities have succeeded because of enabling, not because it's been an effective strategy. Pure enabling. And they're blind to it - they think it's them being clever.
The POINT of this blog is to have a chronicle of what they're doing. That's the end in itself. And not for nothing, but there are people IN skating who see what Virtue and Moir are doing and for those who've missed a few steps this blog points it out to them as well, a fact that neither Virtue and Moir nor Skate Canada misses. What they're doing is held out for not just the much-disparaged fans to look at, but as it happens, other people see it too.
Sorry I should have been more clear. I meant if I was the source itself or I found the evidence myself (as in maybe a pic of them with their baby or something) I would expose it. No I wouldn't betray a source that has asked not to be identified. At this point I don't know what it would take for Tessa and Scott to come clean and that's why when/if it comes out, it'll be somebody else's doing.
ReplyDeleteTo continue, I feel in a way exposing it might be doing them a favor. Maybe they feel things have gone so far and they've told so many lies they don't know how to come clean. Maybe they feel people would think they were crazy and hate them and whatnot. I really don't know. While I can think of many reasons a source wouldn't report I can't think of any legal reasons, unless there was some kind of confidentiality agreement. And at the end of the day the information has still gotten out and we're all here talking about it.
DeleteI wish it would just come out. I'm so over it. What if it gets leaked right before the Olympics and then they're dealing with bad press instead of being in their bubble? They must figure if they've gotten away with it so long, they will continue to get away with it until their retirement (or whenever they plan to reveal it, or they think they can keep it a secret forever). But things have a way of letting themselves be known, especially when they involve tiny, walking, talking, living breathing, people... their child is a freaking person. She won't be hidden forever.
DeleteIf they're together, they need to control their own narrative and right now, they've lost control of it. They do run the risk of having it blow up on them when they least would like it to happen. If they had been smart, they would have dealt with it just after Worlds but they didn't. Instead, they ramped up the foolishness and now it appears that Scott has a mistress (Cassandra) and it's making everyone involved look stupid.
DeleteAre they so naive that they think they can simply hide it forever? As someone else said a while back, if they are married and the truth comes out, there's enough shit out there to "prove" that Scott was cheating on Tessa for a good run of their relationship. I find it so hard to believe that they never considered this. They'd have to be monumentally stupid.
At the end of the day, I'm left to believe that they are not married and that if there is a child involved, it's solely Tessa's and whoever the babydaddy happens to be is no longer in the picture. If someone can prove me wrong, I welcome it. Scott's relationship with Cassandra is juvenile and disgusting and if that's what he wants, then Scott is not who I thought he was.
No, there isn't enough evidence out there to show he cheated on Tessa, because there's a stockpile of photos we don't see, that they could release at any time, creating entirely new contexts for most of the sham photos, including Tessa's presence on not a few occasions.
DeleteWhat I don't think helps is fans who try to push back by claiming they saw Jessica and Scott or Scott and Cassandra in some out of the way restaurant canoodling. I actually don't think Virtue and Moir find that helpful.
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I get that being on a horse next to Cassandra could be taken out of context if there's actually 20 family members, Tessa, and child all just out of the shot.
DeleteBut what context could there possibly be to explain Scott rolling around with Jessica half-naked, and kissing her, and her sitting on his lap? How did they ever dream up that would be ok?
There is no other context for those photos with Jessica. Nor is there any other way to take her appearance in the photographs taken by the official photographers at family/friends weddings for years.
DeleteThe photos with Cassandra have all been weird and awkward and can easily be taken in or out of context. Even that shot of shirtless Scott "cozying" up to her on the beach that's featured on her Twitter right now. That's not the case with Jessica.
There's plenty of other context for the wedding photos. Look at that silly photo of Tessa with that guy at Leanne's wedding. Are we really meant to believe that's her date? The pose is no different from Scott's with Jessica. It's all context created by us, based on what they tell us. The wedding stuff in itself is not much.
DeleteThe Dominican, IMO, was egregiously bad judgment, up their own assery, and they didn't THINK. None of those photos were necessary to tell the story that Scott and Jessica were dating. The Moirs continually confused the need to TELL people Scott and Jessica were dating and CONVINCE people Scott and Jessica were dating.
It looks like those pictures rebound back to Scott. Who the hell would pose like that when it wasn't necessary? The answer is they thought it was necessary - which means they're morons. Or they wanted to and that was the excuse for it - which is a really distasteful thing to contemplate.
I believe it's morons. They are the stars of their own drama, that's how they operate, they can't get out of their own fucking way with public relations, they are ridiculously self-obsessed and naturally assume we must be even more so.
However, if you google "Dominican photo shoot" for a lot of resorts, what Scott and Jessica posed for is the same repertoire of poses thousands of tourists pose for every year at these places. There's a resort photographer, you book the time, he puts you through all the cheesy poses he puts everyone else through, you pay for the photos you want. There are tourist/couples galore leaning against trees, jumping waves, and lying on the sand. In the lying on the sand ones, very few of them are attempting a full body, no contact push up as Scott is attempting, clenching every muscle to avoid actual torso contact.
One of the best ways to get any type of context for the Dominican photos is to look at a series of similar photos done by actual couples. The difference is pretty marked.
You know how a wedding photographer puts the couple, wedding party and guests through a repertoire of wedding poses? The family and wedding party group hug? The cut-the-cake? The photographers at these resorts have the same type of stock pose repetoire.
But of course - who in the general public is going to use the web to look at the "romantic photoshoot" resort albums of real life couples? They'll take Scott and Jessica's as stand-alones and be repulsed.
I'm repulsed because it shows what they pretend WE need. And it sure as hell isn't what we need, so own that one Moirs. It wasn't for us.
What has never ceased to amaze is that they go so far as to include these girls in their vacation time that should be for relaxing on their own, getting away. But they fork out the money, take her along, spend a morning/afternoon going through various poses and clothes-changing all to keep the fans and public informed as to the status of their couplehood.
DeleteI agree they must be morons but they make it very hard not to think it's also just an excuse to touch/be with the fake GF. I actually don't believe that but it certainly is repulsive to contemplate the lengths they go when they don't need to. But they do anyhow. So somewhere in there one gets the message, "They want to."
Wanting the media story about themselves to be "We're not dating" never created the need to substitute Tessa with another girl on social media. To me it's just as disgusting that Scott actually plans and carries out photo-ops to pose as a pseudo-BF as it is that he *wants* the message to be that he is in a relationship with anyone other than Tessa. It's sick. And the girl who agrees is just as sick but I guess that's another topic and it's already been much discussed.
I think you misunderstand how much personal time this takes. The benefit of Jessica was it took almost no time. She and Bryce had the same competitive schedule as VM, Scott could slot in a photo op while Tessa was at pt during events, Jessica would be included in a guest roster for weddings Scott was had to attend as an obligation anyway, they could bank photos and re-date them when they were in the same province. For instance, one of the Dominican albums included photos taken at a ball game. These were taken when Jessica and Bryce had to be in Detroit/Windsor for choreography (Requiem for a Dream). The whole point is to protect his time with his own life - not waste more of it on this shit. Cassandra is from London and knows/is friends with all the Medway/Fanshawe buddies. A lot of this is done with maximum expedience.
DeleteSome people have asked why Scott and Tessa's family - some of them - don't decline to be involved. How do we know they don't? What we mean by Moirville isn't even Moirs, but the maternal side (McCormicks) the skatings aunts and cousins, the brothers and sister-in-law. Scott has many more relatives than that.
I don't know the Virtues deal but I believe their goal is to support their daughter, and support Scott, and whatever the situation or circumstances may be, that remains their goal. IOW I don't think they have agenda, but lack of agenda doesn't mean they won't and don't help and support.
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DeleteYes, I can see how a lot of the shamming crap is done with expedience and to take as little of Scott's time as possible. But they still go to the trouble of getting the fake gf to their beach of choice and staging photos. Scott didn't even look like he could stand Jessica half of the time but she was still included in these family trips, even Scott's brother's destination wedding. It's ridiculous and is one of the things that is so repugnant.
Just snapping a photo when all the friends are attending the same wedding, concert, whatever? Sure, it's quick and no problem. Actually going on the Moir vacations? That's insane.
And yes, I know it's not like the fake gf is hanging out with Scott during these vacations, but she's still there, part of the group. Who wants someone like this along on what is supposed to be their personal down time?
Some things need to remain in private conversation but I'm just going to throw these out there. For anyone wondering if Tessa and Scott vacation together, there is possible proof that they do. If anyone has anything to add, feel free.
ReplyDeletePhoto from Jamaica last year. The dark-haired person behind Cody Hay has a scar on her left leg that exactly matches the one that Tessa has. https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/486986_10152458888835263_197319758_n.jpg
In 2008, a point was made to say in a LFP article that Scott went to Cuba on vacation and Tessa went to Mexico. This one could mean nothing but he just happened to be wearing the same shirt in both photos but here's a shot of Scott with some buddies in Cuba: https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/2127_61521560604_3136_n.jpg and here's a shot from their book of Tessa and Scott "enjoying some free time": http://oi41.tinypic.com/2quu6pg.jpg
hey OKC if you thought the moirs are obnoxious you havent seen this http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4800/zvj.png
ReplyDeletei guess "left anything undone" is her subtle way of taking a stab at tessa and scott. also she should really call out her friends when they make jokes that are uncalled for. the person who made the first comment poking fun at tessa's injury seems like the kind of person who laughs at people in wheelchairs.
making fun of an injured person is 100 times more obnoxious than any kind of sham.
i'd say more but im afraid jaqui will come after me :((((
DeletePerhaps she just meant that they gave the performance their all.
DeleteAnyone with class would have worded it in a more careful way then, and disagreed with the commenter making light of a break. I suppose they knew what happened in 2011 4CCs, but they also have equal insider knowledge of her injuries, and it was a low blow, especially when her kid is already on top right now. On the other hand, I don't think it's necessarily worse than how the Moirs have treated them.
Deletenope it is worse. making fun of people with an injury crosses the line. and her apathy towards that comment shows how much she disrespects v/m.
DeleteI never defend DW but this comes off as pointless bashing of Charlie's mom that makes VM fans look petty and ridiculous (and I'm pretty sure the poster is the same one that made a mockery of VM fans on FSU with their comments about the Bollywood OD).
DeleteNot everything is about VM. Saying they left nothing undone clearly was about DW's performance as 8:16 AM says.
As 12:43 points out, there is maybe an issue with not disagreeing with the commenter of Feb 11 at 4:38 PM on her facebook. I recognize that name as a former poster on skating message boards - just a fan who probably doesn't know Jacqui. Then Bonnie Gilles posts and Jacqui pointedly replies to her comment. She says "thanks Bonnie" not "thanks everyone" or even just "thanks."
IMO she is purposefully ignoring the dig at VM. And I actually think that's the right thing to do. Chastising that fan would acknowledge that she understand it to be about VM, then she would have to say something and whatever she says could easily be misconstrued. Bottom line, it's not her place to say anything and she probably doesn't know that commenter personally. She's giving the comment the attention it's due - zero.
Frankly, I wish the Moirs would take a page from that playbook and just generally shut up instead of getting into passive aggressive pissing matches with fans or trying to prove a point.
Besides, we don't know if Jacqui messaged that person privately or unfriended them. Maybe she deleted the comment right after replying to Gilles. This is just a silly cheap shot when there are plenty of real things to complain about when it comes to DW.
She did delete it and she even like the comment...
DeleteHer FB page is public and the comment's still there. The person who made that comment was a member of the media for a very long time (including working for USFSA) -- she's not a random fan, and I think that's the part that should raise some eyebrows. And yes, Jacqui liked the comment.
DeleteI'm 2:51 PM. If she actually liked that comment and didn't delete it.... yikes. That's not defensible. (I still wish Moirville would shut up, though).
DeleteOP here holy shit the person who made the comment works for the usfsa and jacqui liked the comment? that makes it even worse
Deletein addition, its stuff like this that makes me feel that tessa and scott are more genuine than meryl and charlie. they have spoken honestly about their relationship with meryl and charlie while their rivals have lied or avoided saying the truth.
DeleteWas. She hasn't worked for USFSA in a few years.
Deletethe biggest question on TS's hoax is: HOW, WHY and WHEN it really started?
ReplyDeleteHave Tessa and Scott really been together forever? Or were there other little maybe preteen romances before things got serious between them. I can see Scott possibly having had a girlfriend or two but Tessa...I think Scott is her one and only.
DeleteI suspect when the clown triumvirate of Thompson/Wilkes and Slipchuck were installed in 2006. They were obsessed with stars, thought they knew how to create stars, what the public wanted from stars (TMI, basically, is what we want) and what skaters needed to become stars (enabling, babysitting, psychological kid gloves and other "handling" and infantilizing).
DeleteOne of the things that I find so appalling is that the Moirs and Ilderton in general seem to have built themselves on priding family and good values. To pretend that a lovely little family doesn't exist and to devalue the relationship that Scott has with Tessa and their daughter is beyond sad. Some of Cassandra's friends who are so eagerly participating in this have children of their own. How would they feel about pretending those children don't exist and don't mean everything to them?
ReplyDeleteTo Scott it might make sense - Tessa and the child do mean everything to him and if he sees himself as protecting them in some way, then yeah, he's going to do it but why hasn't anyone else said, "Hold the fuck up, I'm not doing that." Moir cousins, why? Moir brothers, why? Jim Virtue, why? Kate Virtue, why?
Scott and Tessa have been together forever. I don't get when fans want to still insert their own little scenarios into the picture, tell their own story. It's their story.
ReplyDelete10:06 - I only suspect that they feel proprietary about Scott and Tessa, and their relationship is Moirville property, not the public's property. Sharing it also takes away some of their job, which has become concealing it, and enabling a bunch of schemes they think conceal it. Or, the way things are now, admitting it means they stop trying to stick it to people who know and say they know.
To them good family values means their family and each other, and everything that's theirs. It doesn't mean us.
I'm 9.38, my question wasn't about that. I'm not interested in the "starting" of their relationship, because I know and I agree that they've been together since they were kids.
DeleteI was wondering WHY they started shamming. This is interesting, I think it could be connected to something serious about them, not sure what but, anyway.
I feel cheesy saying I think I know what you're alluding to, but I have no way of knowing if that ever happened. That's nothing I know or have heard for myself.
DeleteI look at Debbi & Co. and when they came on the scene; the sham seems to suit both their MO and their multiple agendas, and to dovetail nicely with Ilderton's own temperament and agendas.
Can someone clue me in? What could have possibly happened?
DeleteThere's a rumor that a couple of VERY young Canadian skaters attempted to elope years ago (to somewhere where they were the age of consent, I guess) and their families intervened and some think would be uber protective ever since and went overboard about denial. I don't know if this rumor is based on anything real but speculation it was Scott and Tessa.
DeleteI also don't know how something like that relates to now, nor how it would have harmed their public image then. We don't live in Downton Abbey times. Younger teens fall in love all the time - even if it got out. And I don't think that's something that would be reported. There's a novelty to the marriage part, but to young skating partners being together, that's not news unless the skaters want it to be news.
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DeleteI saw mention of that rumour some years ago on one of the skating message boards. The story was that not only the families got involved but that Skate Canada was also instrumental in getting things annulled.
I didn't see any hints as to who they were talking about but that doesn't mean they didn't give any - I probably just didn't catch on. Of course, given the nature of message boards, who knows which part is truth and which part embellishment.
Ahahaha, if that is true, that's awesome. As if they couldn't be more adorable.
DeleteAw, now I'm picturing the two little kids from the Russian folk FD running off to elope and not even being as tall as the County Clerk's reception desk.
DeleteWhat the time period of that rumor? What board - FSU?
AFAIK there's no context to this rumour. I do believe this happened with a young Canadian team, but anything else is speculation unless/until someone who knows for sure is willing to provide more details. For all we know it could have happened 20-30 years ago.
DeleteThe only thing that is known, according to OC, is that Tessa and Scott have been together since they were very young. I just think that without more real facts, fans should be careful not to jump to conclusions such as assuming this rumour was about V/M.
"Forums are set up that the person who chooses to become offended is considered to have a stronger case than whatever was said that offended them. It's all about feelings."
ReplyDeleteAnd
"contrary to the internet's reputation, fans don't like real confrontation over real things and they don't like dissent."
Exhibit A: The Addicted to VM facebook site.
Even as I write, a fan over there is having a fit because people aren't nice and happy and they should all only discuss nice and happy things. So anyone who doesn't agree should shut up or she's leaving (Gasp!)
Oh, and she says facebook photos are private and it's so rude to talk about these private things. Bwahahaha
12:17 What a freaking load of bullshit that was. By the by, same whiners and complainers are also members of another group that has uploaded an entire album almost solely featuring Scott and Jessica photos. I suppose those pictures aren't to be considered private?
DeleteOh and I should also mention that Scott's "package" is a subject of alarmingly frequent discussion on said group and curiously, they don't take offense to that.
DeleteIt's a "secret" group like Addicted is, so I can't link to it. The hypocrisy is mind blowing.
DeleteIt's no surprise that that group saved everything on their hard drives. There's more Dominican stuff hibernating on a defunct laptop of mine that I've yet to seriously try and salvage. What is it - four years later and they're entertaining themselves with it and anyone who sees it now and didn't before will also save it and pass it around. Back in the day, Moirville played now you see it, now you don't with vacation photos. I wonder if they actually thought they could disappear the photos or if they didn't care they'd be out there forever, out of their control, and only wanted to make it seem as if they didn't intend so many people to see.
Delete12:17 here - I think I used some quotes from OC from a comment that has since been removed? OC, feel free to remove my comment as well if you wish.
ReplyDeleteI want to add something else about the reason this blog started.
ReplyDeleteScott and Tessa and Moirville and Skate Canada & Co. were running the sham on social media. Social media is a two way street. It's not a series of press releases and other marketing schemes vetted through entertainment media. Entertainment media has always been a conduit. We don't participate. The idea is it's their job to tell us the story, and they don't require a contribution from us.
Social media is everyone's platform. The Moirs were treating it like their platform. The FANS were treating it like it was the Moirs platform. Many fans to this day still think they are capable of personally alienating Virtue Moir or being "liked" by Virtue Moir or being put into the good category or the bad category and most fans want to be in the good category.
The fact that these aspirations are all self-deceptive doesn't change that this is how fans think. They hope to be appreciated or at least not put into that bad category. It's inherently unequal, but social media is not meant to be an unequal platform, even though the Moirs set out to treat it like that and fans dutifully responded as if it were.
The fans and other people who knew the Moirs - Scott and Tessa - were not only lying on social media, but manipulating, exploiting, jerking around, mocking, demeaning and generally carrying on like assholes were apparently expected to keep it to themselves. Just the way many members of the public have historically not made a big issue of other behind-the-scenes stuff that may come to their attention.
But Scott and Tessa (and Skate Canada - because the initial overkill feels like Debbi, or that Debbi and the Moirs are so similar in taste and attitude they egged each other on) took their social media behavior to an entirely different level. (continued)
12:25 - I removed one of my comments - a few comments of mine as I've been posting today - when I noticed stuff like saying "too" instead of "to", capitalization where it didn't belong, and stuff like that. I'd delete my comment and do it again, cleaned up a bit, if not entirely.
ReplyDeleteIf there was someone else's comment attached to a comment of mine (or replied) that was removed, I didn't notice and if I had, I would have left my original comment there, typos and all. So apologies if it happened. There was nothing that I recall that I'd have taken to spam or deleted on purpose.
(continuation of 12:27)
ReplyDeleteI asked myself if there was any legitimate reason I or any other fan (or non-fan) was required to observe the protocol that appeared to have sprung up involuntarily - the Moirs played fans for stooges on facebook and occasionally baited the trap on legit media - and fans just went along with it.
There wasn't. The Moirs had assigned a role to fans and most fans started playing that role. I'm a Virtue Moir fan and I don't recall any such agreement. I didn't agree anywhere to pretend I didn't know what I know, to act like an idiot, to pretend they weren't doing what they were doing or not to recognize it, and in general, act like a dumb ass. I never agreed to defer to their lies.
They assumed it. They figured they're the public figures, we're the fans, they'll say how high, we'll jump. They'll fuck around with us for our amusement, we'll pretend not to notice.
Really? That's not how it works on the internet. Social media is egalitarian. Anyone can use it. I thought it was a good point to make, and making it is another reason the blog exists. I just balked at the notion that it was their platform. I think they were unbelieveably stupid to treat it that way. Other public figures who employ social media to get their message out cover their ASS. They deliver a message on legitimate media that's consistent with their message on social media. They respect the format of social media. The Moirs did none of that. They tried to treat it like they controlled it and the targets of their message had no choices. That's not how it works. There's no reason on earth not to start a blog and explain that.
When people assume from one picture that Tessa was not at a wedding because:
ReplyDeletea) school
b) nursing her injury
c) vacation with friends
d) the Americans don't like her
It's no wonder that the Moirs and everyone else involved think they can fool people with pictures.
It's like nothing exists for them outside a frame or off the internet. There's no way there's photo booth photos that include Tessa - or we'd see them!
DeleteWhat - the sham? People seem to believe Moirville will sham and show photos of Tessa at events with Scott and his fake girlfriends. Their minds can't reason it through. It reminds me of when Jessica received the Tiffanys key as her facebook xmas present from "Scott" and even some fans who knew about the sham thought it was "mean" "He" gave her something Tessa already had. What part of "performance" and "fake" do people not understand.
Yes 5:37 - it's easy to fool people with very little. So why were we inundated with gross photos in 2009-2010? Love to hear the rationale some day.
"So why were we inundated with gross photos in 2009-2010? Love to hear the rationale some day."
DeleteBecause it was an Olympic season?
Bringing on a new social media girlfriend shows they have not changed their thinking about this. They may have toned down the grossness of the pictures but do they still believe they need this shield of a multitude of pictures (and posts on twitter and friends' applauding comments on the pictures) in order to both stay private (what a joke) and fool the public during this new Olympic season?
Logic doesn't work to understand what they're doing.
"it's easy to fool people with very little. So why were we inundated with gross photos in 2009-2010? Love to hear the rationale some day."
ReplyDeleteOnce I was finished wondering whether VM were really together or not, this became my biggest question.
I want to hear the rationale. Not that I expect they would actually give one, but there has to come a day none of this is a secret any longer and then there will be an explosion of rationales. But which one are VM counting on?
I think they could easily never explain anything. Have we heard from Sale & Pelletier why they divorced? Has the media asked? Have they been asked why they concealed their separation for a year and a half and presented themselves as married?
DeleteIt's just not a story. I think Scott and Tessa and most official media won't treat it as a story and I doubt they'll do anything more than allude to social media, broadly and generally, as a place that helped them deny - if they do that much, which I doubt.
We might hear from people - anon or not - who kept their mouths shut while Scott and Tessa competed but decide to share how they understood the situation once they're retired. That could be a real hodge podge of rumor and bits and pieces of actual stuff. But that will also be internet/social media, not official media.
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At least Sale & Pelletier didn't go on social media and create a gross alternate reality to "protect" themselves.
DeleteIt's true, the media might never ask VM about the social media activities but the fans know. And any future fans will also know. Who doesn't google something they find interesting? Anyone who does even a superficial internet check will come across some sham photos. Forever. It's been pointed out none of these people lack intelligence, so Scott knows all of this is searchable but he makes the decision to cuddle up to Cassandra (and Jessica) in spite of that. It doesn't say good things about these people.
I think there's going to be a lot of junk out there on message boards once Tessa and Scott retire and whenever this is finally out (I suspect they'll want to drag their feet but don't know if they can). You know all the people who "knew" about Pelletier, who "knew" all about Bryce/Jessica/Scott and embellished details, the fight, the sports shrink, etc. Those lies? Add in how what's in the imagination of fans who post becomes reality (all the crap about Marina).
ReplyDeleteThat's going to be lovely after 2014. There will be people creeping out claiming to have known all along and they'll make shit up about why it was done how it's done. It's just like as soon as Tessa posed with Semple people who never knew before suddenly knew about it. Just as soon as Meryl posed with Fedor some people were like "I wasn't going to say, but now that it's public domain!"
How much sordid stuff has been put on the web that's lies? Jessica bouncing between Scott and Bryce (such a gross idea, but not anything the boards had trouble believing). Fedor in turns porking Belbin, Virtue, Khokhlova and Davis without any real drama. This sits alongside Belbin and Virtue experiencing tension because he bounced from Belbin to Virtue. Pelletier and Tessa. Tessa and Pelletier hooking up on tour, busting up his marriage. All the shit Heather's pumping onto twitter. The Dominican photos being used to suggest Scott had a fling with Jessica prior to marrying Tessa, and Scott deciding to green light all the photos being published on Jessica's facebook in SEPTEMBER 2009, less than eight weeks prior to marrying Tessa, cause that makes sense, as does the xmas spam on Alma's facebook.
Anything but they lied their asses off and made asses of themselves keeping it up. Plus there's photos.
As near as I've been able to timeline, Scott's kissy face-ness, as distasteful as it was, terminated after his brother's wedding in Mexico (which - that was a big event. It's not going to take much from his "down time" when he's also fairly well obligated at an event like that to spend time with extended family and friends. Throw Jessica into the mix while he's doing that, and what's the difference?) I don't know if on their own they suddenly had an epiphany that this kind of crap was horrible to keep pumping out with a new little human on the way, or if they were made to see that others would see it that way. So I don't think they've continued quite in the same vein since they've had a child. I also don't think they get that it really doesn't matter what the actual content of a photo may be - and the next shot of Scott and Cassandra I expect will be taken from space - or how darkly lit and middle-distance they make it - it's the fact of a married daddy and husband posing with another woman and pretending she's his girlfriend on social media. That's disgusting. The reasons he's doing it are disgusting (a bunch of low life agendas enabling people who don't want to grow up). And the method is disgusting - baiting and toying with people. There's no okay side to it. It is the worst.
I absolutely believe that mainstream media won't touch it, but the internet and sundry insiders and others will get in on the act and big time, and use the photos to help it along.
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speaking of DP/fedor/tessa can anyone date this photo? http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac355/virtuemoir/photos/pqhiv0bf8lA_zpsc18adc93.jpg?t=1372147390 i cant tell if its from summer 2010 or 2011 but tessa is sitting pretty close to someone she just broke up with a couple of months ago. maybe this should dispel tessa/DP rumors.
Delete"I don't know if on their own they suddenly had an epiphany that this kind of crap was horrible to keep pumping out with a new little human on the way, or if they were made to see that others would see it that way."
DeleteWasn't Danny Moir's wedding in 2011?
Which means at the time of that last kissy-face photo with Jessica, Scott and Tessa already had a baby.
They sure did take a long time to have any kind of epiphany.
Or it could be there are kissy-face photos still to be made public of Cassandra and Scott. Cassandra's sister did make it sound like there are plenty more photos from Aruba that must be shared. We've been made to believe Cassandra's sister is dying to see them, she hasn't seen them yet. And the only way she can see them is on a public forum.
@12:41
DeleteThat picture is from the summer of 2010.
Tessa was pregnant.
Maybe they thought the internet would disappear by the time their child learned to use a computer; maybe they're such geniuses of everything, including child development, they thought the kid wouldn't care and there was no point in using sensitivity or taste, or being considerate of the kid's sensibilities. There's no kid that wants to see that, fake or no, but their agendas are more important, or their kid is different than anyone else's.
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First thing I notice about that picture: Boobs. Holy heck, Tessa. I like how everyone just kinda tiptoed around the issue of those.
DeleteDon't you know--it's because she ate too much chocolate and got fat.
DeleteI thought she just "filled out". Totally explains why her figure still looks exactly like that.
DeleteI'm sure eating lots of chocolate is more fun than getting implants, why does no one else try that?
DeleteA lot of fans attributed the chocolate-eating and weight-gain to the second surgery and medications or lack of training due to the surgery. How interesting that this photo is from before they say she had that surgery. Weren't they training hard at this point? Creating and memorizing and practicing both the SD and the Latina FD- That's what they say they were busy doing the summer before her surgery, isn't it? But Tessa's body was already changing. I'm guessing we can nix the chocolate-eating and any other behavior that implies Tessa was undisciplined and indulged herself.
DeleteThere were comments about Tessa's chest as early as their Stampede appearances. If you go back, even by the time of the early summer show in Korea, she was looking heavier and bustier.
DeleteTessa and Scott need to come clean at some point, just so we can watch everyone who doggedly defended their unique friendship squirm. I realize, of course, that many of those people will turn and claim that they knew all along and were protecting them but it will still be fun.
ReplyDelete"http://www.cbc.ca/strombo/weekly-schedule/guests-week-of-july-1-2013.html?p=tv&s=tv_schedule"
ReplyDelete"So, how do Scott and Tessa manage such an intense, intimate and platonic relationship, when there's so much at stake?"
Oh George, I trusted you. I was hoping he wouldn't touch this.
Anon 4:07
ReplyDeleteLook at the words. Aren't they familiar? This is straight out of VM's own playbook they provide the media. George is asking what VM want to be asked so they can talk about this and lie and continue the hoax.
No other pair or ice-dance team is treated as if they are incapable of doing their job without all these intimate-unique-special-platonic contortions. It's stupid. VM have done this one too many times. It's no longer cute nor interesting.
I wish they would just shut the hell up.
I'm 4:07, of course it's the same words. I had just hoped that George's team wouldn't sink to anything beyond a quick "platonic" mention. I would think anyone with sense whould raise their eyebrows when handed a script like that. We'll see how the interview goes. But totally agree....absolutely unbelievable that they are still trying that same line.
DeleteI agree anon at 8:56 pm. Strombo was fed this question - no doubt. I mean George has worked as a VJ back in the day at MuchMusic - when music videos were actually played - so he understands that for V/M - it is their profession and that they work as a team. Why would he want to know how "they" don't cross the line...I mean come on..we won't see the full interview until Monday but really - did that question need to be asked? Does each dance team on SYTYCD gets asked this question following a steamy performance? I mean really.
ReplyDeleteIt's unfortunate that V/M's PR totally misses the boat on this and instead of focusing on their skating and athletic skills - you get these "tweenish" questions. Would George ask a female model that poses in provocative pictures with a male counterpart - the same question? Nope.
Did another clip get released, how do you know what he asked?
Delete3:21
DeleteSee @ 4:07 for the link. A heads-up from the show regarding one of the questions.
If we took a poll, I bet that zero percent of VM's fans give a shit about how platonic and unique their relationship is. It's sad to see two people who could be great public figures being so out of touch with their fanbase. Even if they weren't married with a child, no one cares. Shut up.
ReplyDelete"no one cares. Shut up."
DeleteYes please. SHUT UP!
Anon here at 9:21 pm - since the bridal shoot and the George Strombo show were done the same week - while in Toronto during CSOI...hopefully there will be a change in PR course..I don't know - perhaps the word platonic should be banned from their interviews..hahaha...but then again that would be the equivalent of Charlie actually making eye contact with Meryl or god forbid actually D/W skate closer together...anyhoots to the Canadians - happy Canada Day weekend and to our friends down south - happy upcoming 4th of July...
ReplyDelete12:58
DeleteA change in PR would be good and healthy. It would show they have grown up since Vancouver and can now be adults about their relationship and stop talking as if they were scared tweens who might accidentally "cross the line" (what an idiotic thing to talk about--who told them this was an acceptable topic at their ages? Idiots).
As long as Scott and Cassandra are dating on social media it's a sure bet there is no change in PR. It more looks to me like they are continually burying themselves deeper.
Tessa and Scott really have to stop providing these public analyses of their relationship. No matter if a team is a couple off-ice or not, allowing themselves to be part of a discussion that publicly scrutinizes and dissects the off-ice relationship is inappropriate (whether print media or video).
DeleteIf a team is not a couple, it suffices to say "we're not dating." End of story. Not answering any other questions.
If a team is a couple, "Yes, we're a couple off-ice." End of story. Not answering any other questions.
VM have stated their status a million times. Time to stop.
Move on to the skating please.
At this point they're in a corner. The whole purpose of the sham is to hide that they are together; they denied their child over it. They must declare that they're platonic. They don't have the luxury of just saying "we're together." They had that option 5 years ago. They cant just admit they're "a couple" and continue to deny the child. That would be too cruel when the child grows up. The child is supposed to believe that for some reason, the status of V/M as a couple was such an explosive secret that it warranted hiding its very existence.
Delete5:41 continuing my thought...
DeleteIt's not that I want V/M to continue this lunacy. I don't. Just saying that at this point, it's you come clean about everything - marriage and baby - not just admit that you're a couple or that you don't want to talk about it but leave it open that you might be. Because that would be a sham too and begin the process of a new set of shamfuckery that Moirville is not clever enough to execute without the usual contradictions and illogical maneuvers.
"Moirville is not clever enough to execute without the usual contradictions and illogical maneuvers."
DeleteSo true. But they think they're terribly clever so we can't put anything past them.