Monday, September 30, 2013
Look who's here
Note - for some reason the gifs of the 09 4CC turned out huge, too big for blogger, so I'm going to have to do them again later before they can be loaded onto the post. Also, while I was trying to load the huge gifs, "revert to draft" must have been hit on this entry, so it went off line until I noticed.
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Bryce helps Jessica on BOTB
Not surprised. I thought they'd bring in Bryce at some point, because BOTB loves stuff like that. But he's there.
Also here:
Bryce spotting Jessica's lift
I wasn't sure it was him at first because a few other guys involved with BOTB are also semi-tall, dark-haired and can produce five o'clock shadow every six minutes, so they look similar when they're bundled up. But the first link comments confirm it's BD. (To me, the second link looks a lot like John Kerr until it goes close-up)
If the Jessica/Scott sham were still going on, I believe this would still be what we'd see in official media and social media linked to BOTB anyway. Bryce. Not Scott. That's how it's always been. Only in strictly "personal" social media (Skate Canada's twitter is so inept I count it as personal - it's not that professional) did they sham it up.
I wonder why it's not Sebastien Wolfe helping her with her lift. :P
I've read Dube/Savage had a successful opening night, so congrats to them, but in the video of Bryce pitching in on ice, Jessica's face looks as nauseated with terror as it did most of the time when she was getting up there via Wolfe.
I had wondered how Jessica was going to navigate the aspects of the BOTB experience that didn't look like a natural fit, but if Bryce is helping out, problem solved.
Monday, September 16, 2013
Davis White Olympic Free Dance, Feet Only
Bobbing up and down across the ice at arms' length, multidirectional nothing, feet yards apart, half of the program lunging, a lift that's a swing along the ground and a yank onto the male's neck where they - omg - turn towards each other (counter movement!!!) rather than in the same direction, other lifts cling and climb, 110 points summer comp. #Sochigold.
Sunday, September 15, 2013
Three years in the making
I looked at the lift and cut it up into screen caps which I'll post a little later. (Done. Below.)
But here's what can be reported.
Up until that lift Meryl and Charlie are sliding and two footing and dragging instead of skating. "Persian" in Meryl and Charlie language = lunging. They're not dancing or skating and their skates and bodies are miles apart.
The component parts of the lift show, no surprise, that Marina has again used tricks to extend the move and make it appear more is going on than there is. Most of it happens before the lift. Charlie is planted on two feet and pulls Meryl past him in the shoot the duck. He turns around as she goes past him (both of them are still on the ice). We are still in lift prep, not in lift. The trick is in the lasso grip, which is straight out of basic pairs. When he pulls her towards him they are facing each other gripping with arms crossed (his right hand holding her right hand, left holding left). As he swings her past him (swinging her as she is still on the ice) their arms open up because they're now facing the same direction. She twists her lower body towards him from there, he adjusts 3/4ths as he swings her onto his shoulders.
But here's what can be reported.
Up until that lift Meryl and Charlie are sliding and two footing and dragging instead of skating. "Persian" in Meryl and Charlie language = lunging. They're not dancing or skating and their skates and bodies are miles apart.
The component parts of the lift show, no surprise, that Marina has again used tricks to extend the move and make it appear more is going on than there is. Most of it happens before the lift. Charlie is planted on two feet and pulls Meryl past him in the shoot the duck. He turns around as she goes past him (both of them are still on the ice). We are still in lift prep, not in lift. The trick is in the lasso grip, which is straight out of basic pairs. When he pulls her towards him they are facing each other gripping with arms crossed (his right hand holding her right hand, left holding left). As he swings her past him (swinging her as she is still on the ice) their arms open up because they're now facing the same direction. She twists her lower body towards him from there, he adjusts 3/4ths as he swings her onto his shoulders.
Saturday, September 14, 2013
Why do they bother
Tessa and Scott 2011:
Davis White 2014
Virtue and Moir 2013
Davis White 2014
How many lunges do we have here Charlie? Five?
Charlie said each year they wonder how they'll top the past year's lift. Well, they look across the ice at their training mates and bastardize whatever they just did.
The reason DW didn't blow the roof off in the short dance, despite the highish score, is they actually have to do the Finnstep, and that needs work. The free dance is junkyard stuff skated wide wide apart. There are miles between Meryl and Charlie in both programs, more than ever before. When they don't toe pick, they have to keep their distance in order to skate, and even then all they're doing in the free is pumping across the ice. That's it.
Don't just notice Tessa's superior everything in these moves. Look at Scott into them and assisting her out of them. Look at his body, look at his blade, on their own, and vis a vis hers. Then look at Charlie's cheats.
Why is one of Meryl's go to moves a crouch and then straightening out and pumping her upper body? It's bend and pump, bend and pump.
Some fan claimed that DW's upside down lift is "slightly more difficult" because Meryl's hand is free. Charlie crouches down and wraps both his arms around Meryl, Meryl wraps both her arms around Charlie's trunk, and she is hoisted into position as if she's a sack of laundry. From there she has her entire right arm across Charlie's shoulder, her own shoulder pasted to his shoulder.
Tessa rotates into position with an assist from Scott. He doesn't haul her ass up. She does a clean rotation with legs fully extended, using the final lift position itself as the position she's working with to get there. She's there when she arrives. She doesn't say "watch this!", shinny up a tree, find a sturdy branch, crouch upside down and then stick her legs in the air.
She doesn't curl up in the arms of her partner like she's in a baby gymnastics class and then straighten her widdle legs while the mommies and daddies in the room applaud.
Tessa's balanced on his right shoulder only. And actually, she's balancing herself, his shoulder is her balance point. Her hands/elbows are leveraged onto his right shoulder. The reason Meryl and Charlie can't do this doesn't just go to Meryl. Charlie would fall over if he had to balance something on one side only. Everything they do has to reinforce their stability, not challenge it.
A comment below at 5:54 am says that Virtue and Moir's lifts resemble Davis and White's Samson and Delilah lifts, so here are the Samson and Delilah lifts, in which the first looks like a bastardized Valse Triste lift, in the second they face each other, visibly prepare for Charlie to boost Meryl (you know when you're going to lift somebody and you both flex your knees sort of like okay "one, two, THREE!") and Charlie picks her up and puts her on his hip. The exit to this thing (because I think this is the one 5:54 thinks resembles Virtue and Moir) is a treat, let me tell you.
This was my opportunity to look again at the sacred Samson and Delilah program in which Charlie drags Meryl all across the ice while lunging, and when he often appears to use her neck to drag and push her.
Davis White 2014
Virtue and Moir 2013
Davis White 2014
How many lunges do we have here Charlie? Five?
Charlie said each year they wonder how they'll top the past year's lift. Well, they look across the ice at their training mates and bastardize whatever they just did.
The reason DW didn't blow the roof off in the short dance, despite the highish score, is they actually have to do the Finnstep, and that needs work. The free dance is junkyard stuff skated wide wide apart. There are miles between Meryl and Charlie in both programs, more than ever before. When they don't toe pick, they have to keep their distance in order to skate, and even then all they're doing in the free is pumping across the ice. That's it.
Don't just notice Tessa's superior everything in these moves. Look at Scott into them and assisting her out of them. Look at his body, look at his blade, on their own, and vis a vis hers. Then look at Charlie's cheats.
Why is one of Meryl's go to moves a crouch and then straightening out and pumping her upper body? It's bend and pump, bend and pump.
Some fan claimed that DW's upside down lift is "slightly more difficult" because Meryl's hand is free. Charlie crouches down and wraps both his arms around Meryl, Meryl wraps both her arms around Charlie's trunk, and she is hoisted into position as if she's a sack of laundry. From there she has her entire right arm across Charlie's shoulder, her own shoulder pasted to his shoulder.
Tessa rotates into position with an assist from Scott. He doesn't haul her ass up. She does a clean rotation with legs fully extended, using the final lift position itself as the position she's working with to get there. She's there when she arrives. She doesn't say "watch this!", shinny up a tree, find a sturdy branch, crouch upside down and then stick her legs in the air.
She doesn't curl up in the arms of her partner like she's in a baby gymnastics class and then straighten her widdle legs while the mommies and daddies in the room applaud.
Tessa's balanced on his right shoulder only. And actually, she's balancing herself, his shoulder is her balance point. Her hands/elbows are leveraged onto his right shoulder. The reason Meryl and Charlie can't do this doesn't just go to Meryl. Charlie would fall over if he had to balance something on one side only. Everything they do has to reinforce their stability, not challenge it.
A comment below at 5:54 am says that Virtue and Moir's lifts resemble Davis and White's Samson and Delilah lifts, so here are the Samson and Delilah lifts, in which the first looks like a bastardized Valse Triste lift, in the second they face each other, visibly prepare for Charlie to boost Meryl (you know when you're going to lift somebody and you both flex your knees sort of like okay "one, two, THREE!") and Charlie picks her up and puts her on his hip. The exit to this thing (because I think this is the one 5:54 thinks resembles Virtue and Moir) is a treat, let me tell you.
This was my opportunity to look again at the sacred Samson and Delilah program in which Charlie drags Meryl all across the ice while lunging, and when he often appears to use her neck to drag and push her.
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| Did I gif Virtue Moir here by mistake? |
Virtue and Moir and Davis and White's 2013 sd, feet only
I did the feet only video cut myself this time, on a different program than they were done before, so the look is a bit different.
VM are seen full length at one point, otherwise their legs would have been hidden for the rest of it.
The obvious: Virtue and Moir's power, run of blade, depth of edge, ice coverage in the Finnstep, their unison in and out of hold - every single aspect of their short dance is skated better than Davis and White's skate. Davis and White's poverty of movement is apparent is striking compared to Virtue and Moir.
They don't skate with their entire bodies - they reach and stretch, gesture and lean, but they don't engage their entire bodies to execute their program. This isn't about movement or dance style (although all dance and movement styles call for engagement of the entire body), this goes to skating. Their poverty of movement vis a vis VM is partially why Scott and Tessa, along with their superior stroking, have bigger, deeper patterns. It's why Virtue and Moir cover more ice, have better run of blade, why their posture is cleaner and their movements more relaxed, expansive and fluid, it's why nothing collapses when they transition.
Virtue and Moir's choreography is, as ever, more difficult than Davis White's.
Notice especially the difference in the footwork, the girl's under-the-arm twizzle in the Finnstep, the dance couple's mutual twizzle/turns as they cross the ice, and the twizzle element. The twizzle element KILLS me. Even with Scott drifting it's in a different class than DW. Everything VM do is bigger, faster, clearer, closer, smoother, cleaner, more powerful.
With DW their feet are so far apart compared to Virtue and Moir. They really let the air in between their respective skates.
Everything is phrased with equal emphasis. That Scott and Tessa phrase their skating - that they're nuanced even mid-element - doesn't just go to musicality - it goes to control of their bodies and control of their blades.
This is a comparison but it's a pedestrian program skated unremarkably. There is nothing authentically competitive about this program.
VM are seen full length at one point, otherwise their legs would have been hidden for the rest of it.
The obvious: Virtue and Moir's power, run of blade, depth of edge, ice coverage in the Finnstep, their unison in and out of hold - every single aspect of their short dance is skated better than Davis and White's skate. Davis and White's poverty of movement is apparent is striking compared to Virtue and Moir.
They don't skate with their entire bodies - they reach and stretch, gesture and lean, but they don't engage their entire bodies to execute their program. This isn't about movement or dance style (although all dance and movement styles call for engagement of the entire body), this goes to skating. Their poverty of movement vis a vis VM is partially why Scott and Tessa, along with their superior stroking, have bigger, deeper patterns. It's why Virtue and Moir cover more ice, have better run of blade, why their posture is cleaner and their movements more relaxed, expansive and fluid, it's why nothing collapses when they transition.
Virtue and Moir's choreography is, as ever, more difficult than Davis White's.
Notice especially the difference in the footwork, the girl's under-the-arm twizzle in the Finnstep, the dance couple's mutual twizzle/turns as they cross the ice, and the twizzle element. The twizzle element KILLS me. Even with Scott drifting it's in a different class than DW. Everything VM do is bigger, faster, clearer, closer, smoother, cleaner, more powerful.
With DW their feet are so far apart compared to Virtue and Moir. They really let the air in between their respective skates.
Everything is phrased with equal emphasis. That Scott and Tessa phrase their skating - that they're nuanced even mid-element - doesn't just go to musicality - it goes to control of their bodies and control of their blades.
This is a comparison but it's a pedestrian program skated unremarkably. There is nothing authentically competitive about this program.
Friday, September 13, 2013
Let's get started
Odd how nobody on the US side mentions both early fd lifts are easier and uglier versions of stuff VM have done in prior seasons.
There is no way they'd present this piece of shit as their Olympic long if they were going to be legitimately evaluated. I remember last year how it was all oh, oy, Virtue Moir are really going to put some air between themselves and DW this season, and then ND - last year's piece of jerry-rigged repurposed crap - got scored instead.
That the judges at this comp could only award the 73 points to DW's short - and who cares if it's their best pre-season score ever - sort of demonstrates that Meryl and Charlie's programs are a shit show. They couldn't creep that up to a few percentages better than VM's 76? No, they knew the internets would howl. Save it for the GPF.
Someone has given me permission to use their screencaps, and I'm going to add some of my own.
Well, this one:
The grab, clutch and clench and cling version of VM's Carmen lift has already been mentioned, but after I get these up I'm off to gif VM's "float onto the guy's back" lift from their latin fd in 2011, where Tessa just floated up there, as opposed to Charlie swinging Meryl onto his back with both hands - seriously, really? - and then, still assisted by both hands, she turns onto her back.
The last rotational is ass.
Either the fix is in or I don't know what.
Here we go with caps. Short dance later, "back float" caps later too.
Their run-down-the-clock tricks are still in effect, so is the fakery. They start center ice posed together because, you know, ice dance. Then they do a lot of two foot flourishes until they're yards apart, like so, up above. And then they commence two-footed "Persian" poses. BTW, that pose of Charlie's is culturally all purpose, just like their twizzles are style of the dance all-purpose.
Persian.
He's been Persian the whole time.
The best spinners in the WORLD.
What the hell, Charlie. Look at how far apart their skates are. Why is he crouched over her?
Here we go into the headstand. OMFG - Meryl does a headstand!!! She's UPSIDE DOWN.
They're like a knuckled fist on that ice.
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| NICE. |
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| Everything still clinging to Charlie, all four arms and hands completely girdling the core while she rotates into the exit. |
Posing is ALL they can do without pasting their centers of gravity and all their limbs clutching. Not only can they not skate into these things, they can't execute using core strength and control. They climb in and out. They cling like monkeys to a tree. They can only pose - and even then, it's limbs only.
Oh my.
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| Meryl uses both hands on Charlie to stabilize herself for when she changes edges and skates into the next thing. |
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| Oh - that's right. |
Palate cleanser:
Look at Scott's hands, posture, Tessa's legs, posture (one leg extended, the other engaged with the ice) and that she's working with his right shoulder as a pivot, not draping herself over his entire fucking torso and clutching like a tree mammal).
More to come.
(I am assuming, based on nothing, that for the immediate moment, we'll be spared new additions to Scott Moir & Co.'s latest contribution to the multi-year photographic opus: "Scott Moir Spits on Fundamental Principles of Child Psychology, Especially as Regards His Own Child" because it might be considered unsportsmanlike to distract the internet fandom while Meryl and Charlie are debuting their Olympic programs. Create an inappropriate visual chronicle for his kid to enjoy years to come? What's the problem? Pull focus from Meryl and Charlie's summer comp? Not classy.
I may be wrong, but they usually try to adhere to some type of sportsmanship protocol.)
Wednesday, September 11, 2013
Throw it down, Beverly Smith
Beverly Smith rebukes DW spin without breaking a sweat
She's so good. She did one of the only pieces on VM in the past that sounded as if it were written by an adult for adults - the interview about Igor's departure.
I love this part:
As people might ask, watching Davis White: If they're so good why didn't they win in 2009 when they did this program at the Staples Center?
Also good:
I haven't seen a DW lift yet that looked like it was created to fit their program.
Virtue and Moir are as good as, but very different skaters than, Gordeeva and Grinkov, so the fact that the theme of the free dance is, as expected, also the theme of G&G's 1994 pairs long program doesn't mean they'll have a similar dynamic. (The article doesn't point that out but G&G's was "their story" and this is "VM's story.")
I think a lot of people will be amused by the description of the "storm part" (Scott's word) when VM confront "external chaos" and have to figure their way out.
What - can't you get out the way you got in?
Or did that external chaos just randomly visit itself upon you? How, HOW do you get out of the chaos?
I can't even riff on that.*
It seems to me they have taken inspiration from Carmen in one respect - the audience watching Carmen waited the entire program for the moment Tessa launched into the rotational at the end. The electricity in the crowd was palpable every time. Smith says this program's finale highlights back-to-back rotational lifts, which IMO is smart in a program that's going to otherwise showcase man woman harmony using classical movement. Not to mention Smith tells us the rotational lifts start before the finale music, which is a quintessential Marina device to extend momentum and create suspense, so the excitement is already at a pitch, and the start of the finale music mid-element explodes it.
P.S. - if past is precedent, cue the insta-drop of the latest up-the-despicable-ante in the Cassandra and Scott parade of photo dickography. He and Tessa just talked about "their story" with Beverly Smith. Maybe Scott will try for third base to counterprogram WHAT THEY CHOSE TO SAY. Or Scott will show us how well he's getting to know Cassandra's tonsils. He and Tessa are trying to figure a way out of the chaos - creating even more has been their go to.
P.P.S. - as terrific as this article is, I like how it showcases that words are just sounds to VM, not how people communicate meaning and information. When they were in Russia for 2011, they were sick of the Goose - everybody was sick of the Goose! Now they love the Goose - so much they actually considered putting it in their free dance, but then realized that would be lame.
No they didn't, but saying they considered it lets them make a point.
*Well, yes I can. Just - and not to take it all overly literally - one would think you'd figure a way out of the chaos BEFORE bringing an innocent child into your world. For many people that would be the priority.
She's so good. She did one of the only pieces on VM in the past that sounded as if it were written by an adult for adults - the interview about Igor's departure.
I love this part:
All of their lifts are new, of course. Virtue and Moir discussed using their famed “Goose” lift, but binned the idea. “We don’t want to look like vintage Virtue and Moir,” he said. “We love the Goose and it’s a fan favourite, but we don’t want to turn on the TV and watch what we did four years ago, and turn it on again in 2014, and have people ask: ‘What have they done in the last four years?’”
As people might ask, watching Davis White: If they're so good why didn't they win in 2009 when they did this program at the Staples Center?
Also good:
Besides, Virtue and Moir insist that lifts must add to the program and be part of it, rather than looking as if they are included for the sole purpose of gaining points.
I haven't seen a DW lift yet that looked like it was created to fit their program.
Virtue and Moir are as good as, but very different skaters than, Gordeeva and Grinkov, so the fact that the theme of the free dance is, as expected, also the theme of G&G's 1994 pairs long program doesn't mean they'll have a similar dynamic. (The article doesn't point that out but G&G's was "their story" and this is "VM's story.")
I think a lot of people will be amused by the description of the "storm part" (Scott's word) when VM confront "external chaos" and have to figure their way out.
What - can't you get out the way you got in?
Or did that external chaos just randomly visit itself upon you? How, HOW do you get out of the chaos?
I can't even riff on that.*
It seems to me they have taken inspiration from Carmen in one respect - the audience watching Carmen waited the entire program for the moment Tessa launched into the rotational at the end. The electricity in the crowd was palpable every time. Smith says this program's finale highlights back-to-back rotational lifts, which IMO is smart in a program that's going to otherwise showcase man woman harmony using classical movement. Not to mention Smith tells us the rotational lifts start before the finale music, which is a quintessential Marina device to extend momentum and create suspense, so the excitement is already at a pitch, and the start of the finale music mid-element explodes it.
P.S. - if past is precedent, cue the insta-drop of the latest up-the-despicable-ante in the Cassandra and Scott parade of photo dickography. He and Tessa just talked about "their story" with Beverly Smith. Maybe Scott will try for third base to counterprogram WHAT THEY CHOSE TO SAY. Or Scott will show us how well he's getting to know Cassandra's tonsils. He and Tessa are trying to figure a way out of the chaos - creating even more has been their go to.
P.P.S. - as terrific as this article is, I like how it showcases that words are just sounds to VM, not how people communicate meaning and information. When they were in Russia for 2011, they were sick of the Goose - everybody was sick of the Goose! Now they love the Goose - so much they actually considered putting it in their free dance, but then realized that would be lame.
No they didn't, but saying they considered it lets them make a point.
*Well, yes I can. Just - and not to take it all overly literally - one would think you'd figure a way out of the chaos BEFORE bringing an innocent child into your world. For many people that would be the priority.
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