tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post8935347830194006473..comments2024-03-15T09:03:33.742-07:00Comments on Jessica Dube Loves Scott Moir: Where did the time go?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger81125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-80550183409922402832014-03-24T15:32:27.280-07:002014-03-24T15:32:27.280-07:00You can adore Meryl all you want. That still does...You can adore Meryl all you want. That still doesn't make her a good dancer. The proof is in the videos. This is not a subjective issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-43357708122787948532014-03-24T12:15:50.696-07:002014-03-24T12:15:50.696-07:00I adore Meryl, and am so glad the American public ...I adore Meryl, and am so glad the American public is seeing the ice dance queen show off her wonderful dancing skills. :) Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-43963520899398872014-03-21T18:13:54.752-07:002014-03-21T18:13:54.752-07:00Completely agree - Charlie was playing.Completely agree - Charlie was playing.oycanadahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14056686007756844095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-25728407317046690102014-03-21T16:54:49.581-07:002014-03-21T16:54:49.581-07:00Anon at 4:45 pm - I agree with you - that the endi...Anon at 4:45 pm - I agree with you - that the endings for the FDs for DW since 2010 have been choreographed specifically to have Charlie look winded and give the impression that he just sprinted 4 back to back 100 metre races - which really I find disingeneous...is the guy asthmatic - possibly - but still it's way over the top...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-6166559801053405622014-03-21T16:45:12.224-07:002014-03-21T16:45:12.224-07:00To be fair, DWTS routines are 90 seconds while FDs...To be fair, DWTS routines are 90 seconds while FDs are 4 minutes, and ice dancers cover a whole lot more space than the DWTS floor. But yeah I do think there is a bit of acting there. When you see Hanyu get winded at the end, it's very different.<br /><br />DW are not as fast as you would think. In fact they aren't very fast at all. They do a lot of old elements, and use a lot of crutches like two footed skating, posing, and breaks in the middle of their FD to steel themselves for their final bit of running on the ice. If I know all of that and saw him breathing hard at the end, I'd say he lacks some stamina. I remember the commentators used to note how out of breath Alexei Tikhonov would get at the end and basically use it to say he's old and out of shape. And Charlie doesn't exactly have a fantastic physique himself.<br /><br />I always thought his theatrics at the end was a way of getting in front of the story, something DW are very good at. They turned his getting winded into a positive, into a show of how much he gave to the program instead of what it was, a guy who gets winded from constantly pulling and jerking his partner like a sack of potatoes and who slows down whenever he has to do twizzles or footwork.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-87652497182313348392014-03-21T16:31:58.658-07:002014-03-21T16:31:58.658-07:00What I'd like to know is why Charlie wasn'...What I'd like to know is why Charlie wasn't out of breath when he finished his dance. Could it be because 1) he has a partner that actually does at least 50% of the work in the dance 2) he's not really training as hard for this dancing as he did for ice dancing 3) he only gets it when he's really worked up about winning 4) it isn't as bad as he lets on (meaning he does a good job of acting how Haaaarrrrrddddd he was working out there on the ice).<br /><br />This doesn't mean I don't believe he has asthma but I do wonder how much of his end-of-dance reaction was real and how much "acted" for the benefit of the judges.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-15890545629188487042014-03-21T14:11:38.137-07:002014-03-21T14:11:38.137-07:00So DWTs is a terrific way to notice just what crap...So DWTs is a terrific way to notice just what crap dancers they actually are, although Charlie came across better because his partner is smarter about taking what he's got (physical fitness, some pivots and leaps, some lifts) and breaking it down so he can translate this stuff to the floor. He's fit, he's in condition, she can "teach" him do dance from there, although it sounds to me as if he brings no dance chops to the rehearsal studio, and YOU'D THINK he would.<br /><br />Meryl's partner is just choreographing for her as if she's an ace ballroom dancer, which is going to just highlight how much she's not. That's always Maks' approach and it doesn't do his partners any favor.<br /><br />These recaps (and the commentary below them) scrutinize and break down how Meryl and Charlie move, possibly to discover how come they move like ass on the ice and don't dance on the ice, despite getting stratospheric scores for handling rhythm, timing and character of dance absolutely perfectly.<br /><br />And I think the icedanceanalysts blog, without pressing the point (in fact, not making the point at all, simply presenting the evidence available to us all) has done a fine job showing that they don't get it done at blade level either. DWTs is sort of a companion piece to the work at icedanceanalysts blog.<br />oycanadahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14056686007756844095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-7406282985084674662014-03-21T14:05:54.236-07:002014-03-21T14:05:54.236-07:00I will elaborate though, and in no particular orde...I will elaborate though, and in no particular order:1) it's fun to recap them on DWTs; 2) to observe how little actual ability has with how somebody is promoted; 3) to further deconstruct Meryl Davis and Charlie White's movement technique, rhythm, mechanics, alignment, etc. and see these things highlighted on a show like this and to wonder why ISU judges didn't notice huge problems that are immediately obvious in the dancing and movement of both; 4) to see which one of the pair is more responsible for the pastiche that became DW's non-skating, non-dancing, yet mysteriously gold-medal winning skating programs. <br /><br />Although ABC is a national network, and although all of the celebrities are doing it for public relations and there's a limit to any negative exposure, it's still a somewhat closer look at how these people move than we get from figure skating commentary, which has strained to tell us he's Baryshnikov on ice and she's Anna Pavlova on ice. Somehow, right off the bat, Charlie's partner is able to see issues he has (that WE know he also has on the ice) and, via scores, the judges are able to see Meryl's considerable issues with alignment, precision, rhythm, engagement of her whole body, and working with her weight vis a vis her partner. It is very easy to see which of these issues translate over to their skating, and remember again that the ISU refused to see these issues. Of particular interest is the mechanics since the ISU decided that Meryl and Charlie's dumbed down nearly everything merited the highest level of difficulty across the board.oycanadahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14056686007756844095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-52345572952111111142014-03-21T14:00:23.649-07:002014-03-21T14:00:23.649-07:00Well, thanks for asking nicely, but I'm not su...Well, thanks for asking nicely, but I'm not sure what standing you believe you have, 11:28 a.m.oycanadahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14056686007756844095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-59144960404728125962014-03-20T14:06:25.100-07:002014-03-20T14:06:25.100-07:00did this anon even watch meryl performance? that w...did this anon even watch meryl performance? that was FAR from good - in fact, it was EMBARRASSING for an ice-dancer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-89467406349328920762014-03-20T13:04:18.670-07:002014-03-20T13:04:18.670-07:00So...commenting on how two gold medal winning ice ...So...commenting on how two gold medal winning ice dancers are dancing on a nationally televised reality show is none of the blogger's business, hmm? Or I guess it's only acceptable to comment if the blogger is saying that Meryl Davis and Charlie White are exceptional dancers who should win the competition? Or is that not acceptable either, since this isn't a DWTS blog? Something makes me think you'd be okay if the blogger posted glowing tributes...<br /><br />For a crew whose favorite skaters just won an Olympic gold medal, you'd think their devoted fans wouldn't continue to suffer from massive inferiority complexes, but they clearly do given how much they complain about this blog. What are you afraid of? People will read it and realize that D/W aren't very good dancers and that their winning a gold medal in the first place was a scam? I hope they do, because it's the truth. If they read it and don't agree with the arguments set forth here, oh well. <br /><br />You're asking nicely? Should the blogger wait until you decide *not* to ask nicely? What might that entail? Spare everyone the thinly veiled passive-aggression. If you have nothing nice to say, why don't *you* say nothing at all? Or would that little rule of yours also not stop you from going around to other places and reporting that the person who runs this blog is crazy or unhinged?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-56797963793268836542014-03-20T12:47:59.899-07:002014-03-20T12:47:59.899-07:00LOL.
"Hey, person who runs this blog! YOU a...LOL. <br /><br />"Hey, person who runs this blog! YOU are not allowed to decide what you want to write about because I said so!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-75072166070867534202014-03-20T11:28:09.205-07:002014-03-20T11:28:09.205-07:00Excuse me, but since when is this a Meryl and Char...Excuse me, but since when is this a Meryl and Charlie blog? Or a DWTS blog? I am asking nicely but please, mind your buisness. You made it pretty clear in the past that you dont like them so why do you keep posting about them? And even if they do good in DWTS you are (and most V/M fans) are still going to hate on them so if you have nothing nice to say dont say anything at all. Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-7771484060615937352014-03-20T06:18:00.118-07:002014-03-20T06:18:00.118-07:00@Anon 4:27
I agree that FSU is full of moral fuck...@Anon 4:27<br /><br />I agree that FSU is full of moral fuckery but i think in this instance kwanfan1818, a Jewish person, was commenting on Johnny Weir's mother's tweet:<br /><br />"Brushing up with Merriam-Webster, BOTTOM-FEEDER (noun) an opportunist who seeks quick profit usually at the expense of others"<br /><br />I think she was basically saying that Weir's mom was calling his soon-to-be ex-husband a "greedy Jew" with her tweet.<br /><br />but yeah, a lot of people make hateful remarks there and are still allowed to post. judgejudy27 twice called people 'tards' and was not banned. FSU is so fucked up. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-19205864677361085152014-03-20T04:27:53.703-07:002014-03-20T04:27:53.703-07:00As yes, the arbitrator of moral integrity that is ...As yes, the arbitrator of moral integrity that is FSU----where one is allowed to call someone a "greedy Jew" and still not be banned. But say something bad about D/W, and you're threatened with having the FBI at your door. This is a new low. And the poster, Kwanfan1818, should be ashamed of themselves. Truly, there are no words. I'm speechless right now. (Their post is right at the top of the page, post #21) http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?91777-Johnny-Weir-announces-that-he-and-his-husband-are-no-longer-together/page2Anonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08458643167259815393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-37428966642121310032014-03-19T17:02:26.219-07:002014-03-19T17:02:26.219-07:00The fsu Meryl & Charlie fan thread about DWTs ...The fsu Meryl & Charlie fan thread about DWTs is illuminating. Yes, fans are fans. These critiques, though, raise an eyebrow. For instance, there was the opinion that Danica McKellar ought not to have tied with Meryl because Danica McKellar has a stiff torso.<br /><br />I am not a big Bible reader. But I googled this, because it was apt:<br /><br />Luke 6:41 (New International Version)<br /><br />"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"<br /><br />And speaking of planks - Meryl's torso.<br /><br />Good God.oycanadahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14056686007756844095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-37128274553381933872014-03-19T11:08:07.150-07:002014-03-19T11:08:07.150-07:00I watched Purdy/Hough's routine. I'm likin...I watched Purdy/Hough's routine. I'm liking what I've seen thus far. I think I want to root for them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-25194043759545708042014-03-19T08:33:39.513-07:002014-03-19T08:33:39.513-07:00I wonder if much of FSU is just pissy that people ...I wonder if much of FSU is just pissy that people are pointing out you can actually SEE which ice dancers were better, same as pairs and singles. The technique is something you can see and compare. It's not the mystery discipline. FSU had become dimly aware that twizzles should be fast, that lifts should be smooth in and out, and that spins should also look fast, but I don't think they had any idea about actual steps and edges or the ankle flexion and knee compression that produced the long, deep, controlled blade run that is the hallmark of quality stroking. Nor did fsu note that a continuous flow into and out of elements demonstrated greater skill than slowing to a stop in and re-setting out. FSU didn't recognize the difference between an ice dance team that used non-skating assists into elements (jumping, yanking, swinging one's partner, leaping) and using one's edges into elements.<br /><br />I think a lot of fsu is pissed that mere opinion is no longer God in ice dance discussion now that a bunch of spoil sports have familiarized themselves with the particulars of the ISU's own rules, and familiarized themselves with the ISU standards for superior technique, and are telling everybody else about it. It turns out you can "see" and not just "see", but "prove" in ice dance who is better, just as in singles and pairs. <br /><br />I always knew ice dance was supposed to be evaluated according to rules, standards and criteria set down in CoP, even before I checked it out first hand. So I would always notice that on FSU and Goldenskate, most participants didn't deal with ice dance technique at all. It was, first of all, which program did you prefer? I remember some comments that P&B's Rolling Stone program was a better program than whatever V&M were presenting that season. It was always this program is better than that program. No it's not, unless the skating in the program had suddenly improved to the point it was superior to the skating VM delivered in theirs. FSU LOVES program versus program. As far as elements - impact is the only criteria they recognize.<br /><br />It's not just hypocrisy. For ages ice dance was the great unknown that leveled the playing field. Everybody's opinion was as good as the other person's. It was all about the package. People would opine about the package they wanted from their favorite skaters. And I think they still want to discuss ice dance only in those terms. But other fans are now ruining the fun.oycanadahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14056686007756844095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-46516275419247748442014-03-19T07:54:33.521-07:002014-03-19T07:54:33.521-07:00Purdy was really good. She carries herself like a ...Purdy was really good. She carries herself like a dancer. She seems to have great natural alignment - she's lifted through her pelvis and chest but her shoulders are settled, she can isolate her hips and move them fluidly and the fluidity carries through to her legs and feet. I know her feet are prosthetic but what they're doing is driven from her hip action. She's really really talented. Derek is so smart. He showed off all of this, and found creative ways to relieve whatever pressure soreness she may have been feeling from dancing with prosthetics - him getting into a besti while she rocked on his knee was particularly clever.oycanadahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14056686007756844095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-76476501360452182832014-03-19T05:28:49.916-07:002014-03-19T05:28:49.916-07:00Thanks for the info OC about Derek Hough going to ...Thanks for the info OC about Derek Hough going to Sochi for the Para-Olympics - which means that Amy Purdy has actually had less preparation time than all the other contestants including DW. So let's see if Derek can pull a couple of more tricks up his sleeve - as I can imagine he was probably inspired by the para-olympians...go Amy!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-39231616171086602272014-03-19T05:11:41.929-07:002014-03-19T05:11:41.929-07:00Oh, is that way a lot of the camerawork in their f...Oh, is that way a lot of the camerawork in their fluff piece was selfie-style? That's fascinating, actually.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-30983631598855049212014-03-19T05:05:04.278-07:002014-03-19T05:05:04.278-07:00P.S. - and apparently Derek Hough was shipped to S...P.S. - and apparently Derek Hough was shipped to Sochi while Amy Purdy competed there in the para-Olympics. He ended up doing the filming as well, because as soon as he got his visa, Ukraine happened, and the DWTs crew wasn't able to get visas.oycanadahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14056686007756844095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-60242818682404511382014-03-19T04:52:18.051-07:002014-03-19T04:52:18.051-07:00And - 4:48 here again - isn't it interesting h...And - 4:48 here again - isn't it interesting how in Sotnikova's case, FSU suddenly understands that what's in the protocol and what was done on the ice are not necessarily the same thing? But you can't convince them that's the case for DW to save your life.<br /><br />Of course, that's because two of the callers in the ladies event have Russian last names. DW aren't Russian, so it's impossible that their marks are flawed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-63339222293273123612014-03-19T04:48:42.946-07:002014-03-19T04:48:42.946-07:008:43, isn't it amazing how the standards have ...8:43, isn't it amazing how the standards have shifted over the years?<br /><br />It used to be, they're equal and however is the best on the day wins. That's already so deferential to DW, ignoring all the flaws in their basic technique, and saying that if they don't have a visible error, they should win.<br /><br />But even under that standard, DW have made visible errors and still beaten a totally clean VM. So then it became... DW and VM were equal in 2010, and DW have far surpassed them, VM are no longer the same team (one idiot wrote that Tessa started mysteriously gaining weight a couple of years ago).<br /><br />It used to be that DW were so "technically sound" that all their elements start from a +3 simply by executing them. That's bad enough, but now, apparently, they don't even have to execute them. They can be completely out of unison and still get +3 and the people that question it are just crazy VM ubers.<br /><br />Interestingly, when VT won their deserved Olympic gold, FSUers couldn't scour the protocols fast enough to find a problem. Tatiana received a few +2 and +3 on a huge throw where she tapped her hand to the ice. Well. You would have thought it was armageddon. They couldn't argue that VT deserved to lose, but the post-Olympic thread railed on and on about "Russianflation" and the GOE for this one throw and how it was ruining civilization. And I'm not saying it's right that they got such high GOE, I'm just pointing out the FSU hypocrisy. They have been doing the same thing about Sotnikova's flutz and potentially UR on her 3-3 jump (IMO, it was all the way round). Someone actually wrote "I heard that Sotnikova flutzed and underrotated and didn't get a call on either, is that true???" Seriously? Watch the fucking video, since the ISU does provide slo mo recaps of that stuff, and look at the protocol and then you will see what she did and how it was called. If you don't understand it, there are many internet videos that explain what to look for. I mean, that is just the epitome of FSU. Don't look for yourself, just wait until one of the other posters reports on it so you can get all outraged. How funny.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-49119018424300174542014-03-18T20:43:41.243-07:002014-03-18T20:43:41.243-07:00"I don't think Blueridge knows what "..."I don't think Blueridge knows what "evidence" means. She confuses evidence with "outcome". It's not the same."<br /><br />I think a lot of people at FSU share that confusion.<br />In that VM DW thread, one of the VM fans mentioned how DW received some GOEs of +3 and lots of +2s for their botched twizzles at the GPF. Someone responded (might have been that judge) that they could have ticked enough boxes to get those GOE. That makes sense if they make a mistake but have enough features to compensate for it (like doing the twizzles in the character of the music). I think we have established that they don't, though I wouldn't be surprised if people on FSU argue that doing the same set of twizzles each year doesn't mean they are not in the character of each and every one of those dances. It is FSU, after all. Anyways, I want someone to tell me what DW did in their twizzles that compensated for not just an issue with unison (which is what some people are pretending it was--just a unison issue), but Charlie going off his axis, losing control of his body, drifting towards Meryl, and stopping his rotation (which should have cost him a level).<br /><br />Even when it is this obvious, these people still ignore the evidence. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com