tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post5121870002919053502..comments2024-03-15T09:03:33.742-07:00Comments on Jessica Dube Loves Scott Moir: NHK ThoughtsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger142125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-27317013609547320832013-11-14T22:55:15.225-08:002013-11-14T22:55:15.225-08:00@6:51
I am assuming you are also 10:44
I would sa...@6:51<br /><br />I am assuming you are also 10:44<br />I would say that depth perception issues (which are part of her dyslexia) affect her skating. And saying that dyslexia is challenging to live with is not the same as saying someone is not 'normal'. After all, what is normal? But society has particular norms and is set up in a way that makes it difficult to live with a disability. I don't know why you feel the need to compare disabilities or dismiss certain ones.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-6234779946465552792013-11-14T13:05:23.974-08:002013-11-14T13:05:23.974-08:00The article was specifically focused on her depth-...The article was specifically focused on her depth-perception problems, not on her reading comprehension. The latter of which is something you apparently lack. <br /><br />I see all you can do in response to being called out is clumsily claim I or others are "pitying" Meryl Davis. Try again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-91470307296604429902013-11-14T11:45:05.514-08:002013-11-14T11:45:05.514-08:006:44
I prefer to wait for the actual competition. ...6:44<br />I prefer to wait for the actual competition. Not to offend you, but what do anyone's dreams have to do with it? A dream is a dream. It's not reality. Maybe *after* the results are in you can tell us all about how they measured up to a dream. But before.... Please.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-3336096530839263002013-11-14T06:51:44.437-08:002013-11-14T06:51:44.437-08:00blah blah blah meryl's dyslexia doesnt effect ...blah blah blah meryl's dyslexia doesnt effect her skating on ice why should we care about it? i know plenty of people with learning disorders and they are normal human beings who are fully capable of going on with their everyday lives. stop pitying them its condescending and stop acting like dyslexia confines you to a wheelchair or something.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-64564724436675549962013-11-14T06:44:20.663-08:002013-11-14T06:44:20.663-08:00why is judy blumberg still allowed to be a tech s...why is judy blumberg still allowed to be a tech specialist? i had a dream last night that v/m got 170 at teb (cause one judge gave them like 5.00 PCS). looks like thats going to be a reality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-29310337094698405782013-11-14T04:00:38.159-08:002013-11-14T04:00:38.159-08:00Fantastic....Judy Blumberg is the tech specialist ...Fantastic....Judy Blumberg is the tech specialist at TEB this weekend:<br /><br />http://www.isuresults.com/results/gpfra2013/SEG007OF.HTMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-81165771022349166172013-11-13T13:51:17.933-08:002013-11-13T13:51:17.933-08:00Someone on FSU also linked to an Italian board, La...Someone on FSU also linked to an Italian board, La Fenice, where a very knowledgeable person is doing breakdowns of the skating and lifting mechanics in comparing VM and DW:<br /><br />http://fenice.forumcommunity.net/?t=55168681<br /><br />I think it is very encouraging to see more and more people across message boards, blogs, and comments sections of blogs and articles dispelling the myth of this rivalry (or even scarier, of DW's superiority).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-80128704999005747542013-11-13T12:37:21.953-08:002013-11-13T12:37:21.953-08:00@10:44, if Tessa Virtue had depth perception/dysle...@10:44, if Tessa Virtue had depth perception/dyslexia issues and publicized it, something tells me you would be the first to praise her bravery, so cut the "boo hoo cry me a river," shit. You spend plenty of time over here crying rivers about every slight uttered about V/M by D/W fans.<br /><br />That being said, I *did* think the timing of that article was suspect, given that it dropped right before Worlds. I agree with OC's comment below.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-52523985369006099842013-11-13T12:26:17.805-08:002013-11-13T12:26:17.805-08:00@10:44
What an ignorant response. Do you know any...@10:44<br /><br />What an ignorant response. Do you know anything about dyslexia? It poses serious challenges to those who have it. Maybe you need to acknowledge your own privilege.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-50424663221724370642013-11-13T10:44:11.865-08:002013-11-13T10:44:11.865-08:00boo hoo cry me a river. dyslexia is practically no...boo hoo cry me a river. dyslexia is practically nothing like nearly everyone has dyslexia anyway. its so annoying how they always paint themselves as the hard working underprivileged underdogs when they are privilege as fuck. this is why i find them so irritating - they never acknowledge their privilege.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-31733707753077619682013-11-13T10:33:30.276-08:002013-11-13T10:33:30.276-08:00I don't know why that was publicized, especial...I don't know why that was publicized, especially in the craven way it was done "She didn't want anyone to know but why not publicize it immediately before Worlds!" says her mother about her reticent daughter. If she gets sympathy for that it's a case of looking for more reasons to elevate D/W because sympathy doesn't generally get a skater held up. There are gimpy skaters out there, older skaters out there, one last shot at glory skaters and skaters with plenty of challenges and for the most part there's not much sympathy shown in the scoring.oycanadahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14056686007756844095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-54982690709429475652013-11-13T09:35:31.726-08:002013-11-13T09:35:31.726-08:00well, the strategy seems to be working on many peo...well, the strategy seems to be working on many people at GS. Apparently Gracie is the victim of people who are overly sensitive and self-righteous. One person admitted the comment was offensive (can't remember if they actually called it out as racist) but their real concern was how this would hurt Gracie's image and career. I considered signing up for an account there just to respond to these people, but i doubt they will listen. They are actually attacking anyone who takes issue with what Gracie said. <br />Unbelievable idiocy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-26683170165042926882013-11-13T00:01:47.928-08:002013-11-13T00:01:47.928-08:00The same thing happened with the "best female...The same thing happened with the "best female ice dancer of the 2012/2013 season" thread. Tessa won by a landslide and many people gave very specific reasons for choosing Tessa, ones that actually made sense in skating terms, so some of the DW ubers had to dismiss the poll as just an attempt to prop up VM by tearing down DW. Meanwhile, no one gave reasons for choosing Meryl that were rooted in skating and dance technique; many instead tried to make the focus of the poll how horrible VM fans are. This seems to be a pattern...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-27460081139630905362013-11-12T23:43:46.818-08:002013-11-12T23:43:46.818-08:00"Reading the thread I landed on, almost made ..."Reading the thread I landed on, almost made me feel a little crazy about not being on top of all the reasons I disliked a skate by V/M"<br /><br />This poster is, unsurprisingly, making this out to be an uber attack on DW. The discussion this person is objecting to is not about "dislik[ing] a skate" by DW. The posts with the examples and analysis that is upsetting many of the DW ubers quote the actual rules and address how those rules are not being met in a way that warrants the scores DW are receiving. I don't believe any of those posts made any mention of personal dislike.<br /><br />That seems to be one of the favourite lines among some ubers: "it's just a matter of preference". No, it's not. These are clear differences in the skating quality. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-89488631177321705362013-11-12T21:26:48.596-08:002013-11-12T21:26:48.596-08:00OC, i have wondered for a while and would like get...OC, i have wondered for a while and would like get your perspective about if Meryl and Charlie get some kind of special or "sympathy" treatment because of her not being able to see properly out of her right eye and having depth perception/dyslexia related issues.<br />http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/2013/03/13/meryl-davis-charlie-white-usa-best-shot-gold/1985667/<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-35996718106622596552013-11-12T21:08:29.182-08:002013-11-12T21:08:29.182-08:00Thanks OC - I will continue to make my voice heard...Thanks OC - I will continue to make my voice heard. I haven't gotten a response to either of my complaints, and I don't expect to, but I'm not going to sit around and watch the sport that I love (and once participated in) be hijacked by a bunch of self-serving buffoons content to spread their own brand of ignorance. I will be damned if a hack team like D/W "win" in Sochi and all these same idiots are fawning themselves in the commentary box. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-75855907071026013262013-11-12T20:12:36.295-08:002013-11-12T20:12:36.295-08:00It is telling that they can only talk around the i...It is telling that they can only talk around the issues and attack the posters who actually go into specifics. <br /><br />Some are claiming that they could post awkward photos of VM but they won't because they are too good for that. Please. The funny thing is i would agree that an awkward photo isn't representative of the element or the skating as a whole. but with DW the awkwardness comes from real issues with what they are doing with their bodies, issues that are evident in a series of photos and in real time. You won't find such photos of VM because they don't exist. Even when the Carmen lifts were in their development phase, they never looked as bad as DW's lifts at their best. VM simply don't have the same issues in form and lifting techniqueAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-77852150364328997372013-11-12T20:00:45.325-08:002013-11-12T20:00:45.325-08:00Yep. It shifts the issue onto those offended, and ...Yep. It shifts the issue onto those offended, and away from the person who caused offense. It's "oh my, I didn't realize you people were that sort! I miscalculated! I would never intentionally offend people so quick to take offense as you guys!"<br /><br />No, Gracie. You were wrong. You were called out. The problem isn't that people were offended. The problem is you were wrong.oycanadahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14056686007756844095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-85454550861790713892013-11-12T19:53:21.815-08:002013-11-12T19:53:21.815-08:00"I think I'm going to have to go back and..."I think I'm going to have to go back and rewatch GP's FD. There is no way that it should outscore what PI are doing (provided everyone skates without having a meltdown), and I don't see it as the choreographic masterpiece some people are crowing about it being. That said, maybe I need to take another look at it."<br /><br />It's not a masterpiece because these aren't the skaters, but it's really strong choreography and is perfectly in tune, in performance, choreography, with the music (and with what we're presumed to know about the music - that it's Hitchcock). As much as Carol Lane, as a personality, can give me the mehs, I think she's a better choreographer for Paul Poirier (can't really say that about her other choreography) than Dean. In my eyes, anyway. I liked the 2010 season choreo a whole lot better than 2010-2011, and I haven't liked anything Dean did for C&P or G&P. The programs this season are stronger and lo, Lane did them. Who knew.<br /><br />They're not P/I. P/I are multidirectional by default. They're continually changing direction, changing hold, they do a ton of closed hold. They skate their entire program. They also have good speed, which is something they've built during their partnership. Everything is detailed and intricate. They finish their lines, their unison is wonderful, they skate very close together (which is another thing G&P haven't quite mastered - even in closed hold there's considerable torso space and space between their respective skates, BUT, the overall impact is of them getting as close as they can get, versus faking getting close while trying to keep as much of a distance as they can). They're working in the right direction, IOW.<br /><br />But, I think it's unfair to describe G/P's program as tricks and posing. At every element and choreographic move, they use an edge. It makes a point, in particular, to show her using an edge, and not just "here's my edge - now can I get on two feet!" a la DW. She uses it in the sequence leading to a move or element, and she continues to use it exiting from the move or element. They do work in hold as much as possible, they do change direction as much as possible, they're using bladework, and I do like the program a lot. <br /><br />IOW, this fd is a good faith showcase for really doing it. What is sacrificed is the apparent (but actually sleight-of-hand faked) speed and drive in Wild Spirits (which was a hot, bullshit, running, lifting, dragging, tricked-out, non-skating mess). When G/P aren't stroking or moving in a straight line, it's SLOOOOOWWWW. Very very. But, relatively steady. I do respect this direction. But it does make me wonder - what were they told?oycanadahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14056686007756844095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-37567961959780264672013-11-12T19:21:55.020-08:002013-11-12T19:21:55.020-08:00I think I'm going to have to go back and rewat...I think I'm going to have to go back and rewatch GP's FD. There is no way that it should outscore what PI are doing (provided everyone skates without having a meltdown), and I don't see it as the choreographic masterpiece some people are crowing about it being. That said, maybe I need to take another look at it.<br /><br />The other night, I spent some time thinking about GP's improvements from last season. Even though GP still have a lot of work to do, it is apparent that they are trying to improve. Last year, it seemed like GP were going to get the DW treatment and would be able to just get away with faking it. Maybe it is filtering down that DW-style bs only works with DW, but I also wonder if it has to do with actually wanting to get better and taking pride in what they put out on the ice. I think almost all of the elite level ice dance teams take their skating seriously in that they want to improve in what they're doing and they want to put something out on the ice that they can be proud of. DW seem to be more focused on winning though. They don't seem to be interested in making actual improvements to their skating. They don't seem to care about what they're putting out on the ice, because, hey, if the faking it gets it done, who cares. DW is a team that has taken a lot of short cuts over the years. <br /><br />To turn this back to VM and DW. Do VM like to win? Of course. It's one of those "is the Pope Catholic" things. But they love to skate and dance and they care tremendously about what they're doing out there on the ice. They're not going to be anything less than who they are (as ice dancers) out there on the ice. DW, on the other hand, only care about winning. It's their alpha and their omega. If they truly cared about the skating part of things, they would have put the time in to trying to improve for real instead of just faking it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-2409039888270042832013-11-12T18:58:41.565-08:002013-11-12T18:58:41.565-08:00I think in some ways venting about it encourages, ...I think in some ways venting about it encourages, enables people to go to those forums and push back. I don't think the blog is responsible for push back, but if being able to vent to a degree (and really, it's my call where the line is between venting/expressing and pure acting out, and I just have to gut check it) here helps, then it's fine with me. <br /><br />Fan wars are fan wars, for sure. Figure skating boards are full of them. But still, people in the sport subscribe to these boards. WHY the hell they do when these boards are full of ignorance, who knows, but it doesn't reflect well on the sport, and in fact, validates some of the worst suspicions about the sport. However, if public opinion is moderated there by those in the sport, then I think it's a good idea if those who speak up get encouragement to speak up and push back. If someone comes here and is like Jesus, this is what goldenskate says, and by being able to say it, goes back and argues back there, I have no problem with it. It's frustrating, yes. But this is the level of discourse. If figure skating were a real sport then it would be easy to just tune out and disregard what fans do and say, and not bring it over here. But it's not, and some of the stuff said by fans there is repeated in the comment booth. I don't think (unlike some fan boards that focus on different subjects than figure skating) - ignoring the idiots who post stupidities about skating is necessarily the answer.<br /><br />ocAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-3828695827663839672013-11-12T18:49:19.830-08:002013-11-12T18:49:19.830-08:00@6:28
Yes, the discourse of political correctness...@6:28<br /><br />Yes, the discourse of political correctness. That is one of my favourites! So the issue is the people getting offended at the comment and not the person making the comment or the comment itself. And this is basically what Gracie did with her 'I didn't mean to offend anyone' comment.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-12867623375242919712013-11-12T18:48:08.668-08:002013-11-12T18:48:08.668-08:00Don't even get me started on hipster racism. W...Don't even get me started on hipster racism. What is that but a proactive refusal to acknowledge limits. What do you mean I don't get to say that and someone else can? <br /><br />It's spoiled bitchness, that's what hipster racism is - narcissism and ego. Don't tell me no! <br /><br />Or else it's a lot of meta commentary on how out of touch they are. Yeah, let's play with how I can so NOT relate, I fuck up in hilarious ways! (On HBO's "Girls" for example.)<br /><br />Oh it's a laugh riot. It's material! This whole thing is so removed from my world I blunder and it's just so embarrassing! <br /><br />It's fodder.<br /><br />Similarly, it recalls when singer John Mayer wished in an interview he were cool enough and had enough "cred" to merit a "hood pass". A hood pass is bestowed upon a white person considered cool enough to get away with saying the n word (I don't know who these people are. I only know people who've bestowed the pass upon themselves, such as Quentin Tarantino). Because that's what this is about. A yardstick for how cool you are. How much cred you've got. For white people. It's about you.<br /><br />But circling back, I've seen this kind of mistake from others, and as said in this comments section, such as from Julianne Hough. It's about flaunting how much you just can't relate, how nothing in your life has exposed you to this stuff, so don't blame you. "I've lived in a magic circle all my life! I have no context!" It's a backdoor brag. It's disgusting.<br /><br />ocAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-64847390942058411142013-11-12T18:44:56.451-08:002013-11-12T18:44:56.451-08:00"It's like freaking backdoor racism. I..."It's like freaking backdoor racism. I'm so entitled nobody's ever called me on anything! It's not my fault! I'm protected and sheltered!"<br /><br />Right. I notice a lot of people made that kind of excuse for her as well.<br /><br />The fact remains, it doesn't matter why she wrote it or why people think she did. She wrote it, period. The statement itself is racist. There's no getting around it by arguing that perhaps she didn't know any better given where she comes from or what she knows. <br /><br />IF that is in fact the case - that she didn't know any better - there's the root of the problem. WHY would she not know better? Because somehow, she's been taught or has been socialized to believe it's okay to say something like that as a joke. But that's not acceptable as an excuse. Rather, it's a damning reality that needs to be recognized for what it is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-73901781334953140552013-11-12T18:30:09.578-08:002013-11-12T18:30:09.578-08:00Also in this link to the G/P fd:
http://www.youtu...Also in this link to the G/P fd:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSHMDIFL1so<br /><br />From :56 to 1:44 and beyond (I stopped watching mid-step sequence) is pretty edge centered, hold-centered, and multidirectional. Into and out of each move (the spin and the lift) is on an edge and then continues bladework. The drawback is, when they're not stroking or moving in a straight line, they're slow. It's definitely night and day from their approach last season though, which is surprising. I wonder if it's filtered down to the lower ranked teams that DW style b.s. is not going to carry them anywhere, and the scores for it begin and end with only DW.<br /><br />ocAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com