tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post4300314324876190023..comments2024-03-15T09:03:33.742-07:00Comments on Jessica Dube Loves Scott Moir: Who couldn't see that comingUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger231125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-19886455920232528692014-08-17T17:47:01.952-07:002014-08-17T17:47:01.952-07:00Isn't there a problem if they're getting s...Isn't there a problem if they're getting straight 10s when they're a middle of the pack team? If the inflation is not double the score they deserve, what is acceptable? 50% inflation? 30%? 25%? <br /><br />I hope by middle of the pack, you mean 12-17 place range.<br /><br />I don't think the younger skaters are lying when they say they admire DW. I get a very "if they can do it, so we can we" vibe from a lot of the comments. There's a certain admiration for someone sticking around so long, playing the game, making so much hay of so little talent, that I can see the appeal for some of the younger skaters. Their parents paid a lot of money too and they want that gold medal as well.<br /><br />While you'll never find, though, is any substance to the comments. They might list DW on a list of their idols and say how much they like them, how much they make them feel or whatever. It always stops at generalities. When Ksenia Monko talked about VM, she said they skated as if they had an unbreakable thread between them, and how they kept up their technique throughout the dance, never getting lazy, like DW. Skaters who compliment VM tend to be specific like that, but then there's a lot to be specific about.<br /><br />I agree that the new system has transformed the discipline, and into something that I don't care for, but the rule book as it stands still claims to value skating skills and basics of alignment, posture, and extension. And those things seem to count for a lot when it's VT, Chan, and Kostner falling all over the place. They only don't count in ice dance, and that's not the new system, that's a perversion of the scoring.<br /><br />DW perhaps hoodwinked some people into thinking that they made up for their lack of basics with amazing elements, and in that case your argument might hold more water. But they have mediocre elements. And it's really not possible to have such weak skating skills and be producing level 4 step sequences - depth of edge is intrinsic in getting the level. The only good element they have is the dance spin (although OC has some arguments there to). GOE for the pattern dances is *supposed* to measure old school technique ie, closeness, hold, timing, posture, leg line, etc.<br /><br />You can't win under IJS on a dance spin alone; it hasn't changed that much.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-1995974547353702122014-08-17T17:34:28.503-07:002014-08-17T17:34:28.503-07:00I'd also love to know how the conspiracy works...I'd also love to know how the conspiracy works on the skater-level. Do they have federation officials forcing them to name D/W as skaters they admire? If so, I commend their attention to detail, even relatively unimportant junior skaters are used to perpetuate this hoax.<br /><br />People can be influenced, especially in a mix of sport and art where what is valued is perpetually changing, especially when a new system has transformed the discipline to the point where it's barely recognizable. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-58426620314627531972014-08-17T16:56:53.343-07:002014-08-17T16:56:53.343-07:00How can you possibly know what the entire skating ...How can you possibly know what the entire skating world thinks? You don't. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-63946193103374612982014-08-17T16:23:00.116-07:002014-08-17T16:23:00.116-07:00"Her chest started increasing long before now..."Her chest started increasing long before now, it was the first sign she might be pregnant, before anything else showed. If she got a boob job, she's gotten several, each one larger than the next."<br /><br />This is anon at 5:44. Yes, I agree with you. The boob job comment was being facetious. I don't think that would even be possible in the time frame anyways, which is why I said it the way I did.<br />Her chest has been getting increasingly larger since spring and was one of the first things I noticed to put me on that train as well. However, there has been a more dramatic change since returning from China, which is what I was referring to in referencing 2010. Before, it was just larger compared to *her* normal. Now, in the pictures from the last week (tennis w/mom, luncheon and wedding, in particular), it's becoming quite impressive for anyone. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-75273977259520335682014-08-17T15:51:05.801-07:002014-08-17T15:51:05.801-07:00There is no way Davis White "convinced the sk...There is no way Davis White "convinced the skating world."<br /><br />It's your decision that this is more plausible than systemic corruption from the top down, but that's what happened. The "skating world" actually knows good skating from bad skating, whatever they pretend to the outside world. Davis White's "clever chroreography" didn't hide their deficiencies. They worked to convince the mainstream media and skating fans. Nobody who knows one thing about skating, and most of "the skating world" know more than that, believe they're better than they are. oycanadahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14056686007756844095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-85934657225762005112014-08-17T13:51:36.302-07:002014-08-17T13:51:36.302-07:00We should count down to Tessa switching her linger...We should count down to Tessa switching her lingerie choices to an all-over compression garment that flattens her entire torso into one plane. She went there last time.oycanadahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14056686007756844095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-9047281321904819442014-08-17T13:44:01.098-07:002014-08-17T13:44:01.098-07:00I think you're not giving DW enough credit. Co...I think you're not giving DW enough credit. Compared to other gold medallists they're very poor, compared to middle of the pack teams, they're very good. Like their lifts, they get in and out of them quickly and smoothly, that's worth some good GOE. And their twizzles, the synchro has improved over the years and the speed of rotation is quite good.<br /><br />Are their scores inflated? Of course. Are they twice as high as they should be? Not in my opinion. If DW were that bad, they never could have gotten world and Olympic titles. Politics can only go so far and all the politics in the world couldn't get a team at Coombes/Buckland's current level a world title. I know some here say that everyone knows DW are complete crap and it's all an evil machination involving the whole skating world but, you know, occam's razor: the USFSA used a combination of politics and clever choreography to convince the skating world DW were much better than they are, which made elevating them to the top a lot easier. That seems more plausible than non-American commentators praising DW to the skies while believing none of it, because they've been told to do so, tons of ice dancers praising DW even though they know they're crap, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-52353055776729108652014-08-17T12:53:05.767-07:002014-08-17T12:53:05.767-07:00OC, can we have a new post, the comment section is...OC, can we have a new post, the comment section is getting crowded again.<br />You could make a post about Tessa's ridiculous posture, there are plenty of pics available. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-86335250601840327742014-08-17T12:52:04.312-07:002014-08-17T12:52:04.312-07:00Her chest started increasing long before now, it w...Her chest started increasing long before now, it was the first sign she might be pregnant, before anything else showed. If she got a boob job, she's gotten several, each one larger than the next.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-57502851746852719302014-08-17T12:01:00.546-07:002014-08-17T12:01:00.546-07:00Kaitlyn Lawes has certainly appeared at a boatload...Kaitlyn Lawes has certainly appeared at a boatload of golf events this summer.<br /><br />I do want to say something about all the tweets showing her with her gold medal. That's simple marketing. Scott and Tessa dragged their gold medals all over Canada the summer after they won, letting people hold it and pose with it. Lawes is obviously promoting herself; the gold medal is her credential. She's not famous for any other reason. Her twitter isn't private; it exists to promote her brand, which is "gold medal curler". The entire summer she's had that thing in her pocket, that's the game. It's "good will" marketing to pose with fans; fans who get to be in an image with a real gold medal, who get to see their faces re-tweeted out to her own followers.oycanadahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14056686007756844095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-62467845925540941572014-08-17T11:41:24.961-07:002014-08-17T11:41:24.961-07:00^Pushing past what's on the web from Sport Box...^Pushing past what's on the web from Sport Box itself, and finding this link:<br /><br />http://www.newswire.ca/en/story/1202053/sportbox-entertainment-group-launches-with-an-agreement-with-img-and-the-acquisition-of-landmark-sport-group-golf-assets<br /><br />This business is only a year old. It's interesting that, for as long as Scott and Tessa have been in the public eye that they're with such a new shop, and, per the website, the only "personalities" on Sport Box's roster. (The longer list of golfers is under a different category). I imagine the key to the this relationship rests with the history of the executives and personalities who created this company.oycanadahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14056686007756844095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-57829522331559968192014-08-17T11:36:00.362-07:002014-08-17T11:36:00.362-07:00Relevant to the discussion about Scott and Tessa&#...Relevant to the discussion about Scott and Tessa's place in the entertainment/sports marketing infrastructure; Scott isn't following many other accounts on his twitter, but he is following two accounts from Sport Box Group. "SportBox Entertainment Group is a sports management <br />and marketing agency. Our focus is on athlete representation, event development, consulting and representing the marketing rights of sports organizations and properties". So that's a nice one-stop shopping entity.<br /><br /> If you click "talent" and then click "personalities" there are Scott and Tessa's names. Sport Box is also heavily into golf and representing golfers. <br /><br />Scott is also following PWC Canada's sponsorship guy.oycanadahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14056686007756844095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-14416744643709360192014-08-17T10:56:32.082-07:002014-08-17T10:56:32.082-07:00I remember that. I know fans check out instagrams ...I remember that. I know fans check out instagrams because they think they're going to find out something - this is a crowd shot from that angle so a lot of fans are going to think Jeremy isn't considering what he published, but he does. We don't have any kind of real view of these people via social media; everybody knows what they're putting out there. There's no "oops, didn't realize it showed these two or that person."<br /><br />I haven't dissected that photo but Scott has done "background" stuff before where he's not the focus of the photograph but he just happens to be there in the background, shamming, all unaware the photo is being taken, of course, so what we see must be authentic. There was one in the background of a wedding reception, sitting at an empty table with Jessica (empty tables were popular with that sham), Cara sitting there as chaperone/Jessica wrangler. In the wedding where he was seen in the same pew as Cassandra it looked for all the world as if he slid up the side aisle and parked himself behind her so he'd be seen in the background. As with a lot of these photos, it didn't really look as if it was really where he was seated for the wedding - not enough room.<br /><br />One of the amusing components of the Jessica sham was she was always going to Ilderton, straight into the arms of Alma, Carol, the cousins, and the locals. That's how every twentysomething in a long distance relationship wants to spend the precious weekend with her boyfriend - not at his apartment (he didn't live in Ilderton) but at his parents' house with a cast of dozens.<br /><br />One time Jessica was in Michigan and we got sham photos, but it coincided with Jessica and Bryce in Detroit for choreography. It always works like that. The person who has the sham job always fits in with the logistics of Tessa and Scott's existing schedule/plans, stuff they have to be doing anyway, rather than Tessa and Scott taking real time out of their lives.oycanadahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14056686007756844095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-74830770667412910382014-08-17T10:30:39.073-07:002014-08-17T10:30:39.073-07:005:37 "5.05 I don't know Tessa and Scott&#...5:37 "5.05 I don't know Tessa and Scott's true relationship status but if I were Jeff and everything said here was true I'd be disgusted. Seeing your married friends pretending not to know each other and cuddling with others, ick"<br /><br />They're not doing that for Christ's sake. They're posing for photos that go on social media. That has no relationship whatsoever to real life behavior. Scott and Tessa don't pretend not to be involved. Scott and Tessa don't cuddle with their sham SO's in three dimensional situations. It's a two dimensional sham. The Scott/Tessa/Sham or just Scott/Sham experience of the actual attendees at these events is totally different than what's presented on social media.<br /><br />Figure skating has a lot of shade in it, I think we all know it. Virtue and Moir are skating stars, but they're not the only ones with stuff they keep off the official record. That's standard operating procedure with not just skating (although the methodology in skating culture certainly is special) but tons of stuff in the public realm. <br /><br />Not every wedding Scott and Jessica attended was a "close friend's" wedding. Scott is from Ilderton, a small town and he's part of the town's most prominent large family, which means he belongs to a huge community. There's the skaters, the in-laws, the cousins, the friends of the older generation and his own home town friends. These people get married. It's an obligation to attend. Why not kill two birds with one stone. The sham has done a LOT of that. Most of the sham stuff has combined with some place Scott has to be anyway, or been scheduled when Tessa is out of the picture in that block of time (such as a few years ago when she spent hours a day at physical therapy, including at competitions).<br /><br />I love Jeff Buttle, and he's married and out in the open now, but dial back a few years and he did photo shoots with Joannie Rochette where if we wanted to wonder if they were romantically involved, we could. No accident. He tweeted photos of Tessa from NYC in summer 2009 and said something like "Lovely lady" and his sister Megan tweeted with a wink "The statue of liberty - or TESSA?" ;) And Jeff said "Both!"<br /><br />Scott and Tessa have never hesitated to use real, seriously important stuff as material for their lies. They are as corrupt as it gets. New babies, marriage, etc.<br /><br />Look how political skating is. Everybody in it knows it. Everybody has a smile on their face, no matter how brittle the situation is underneath; nobody takes a stand - the few skaters who took any kind of stand about Sochi/Putin practically wet their pants when doing so, it was so untoward. Skating partners stab each other in the back and everybody keeps on smiling even if the person who got fucked over was a close friend. Everybody certainly climbed on board with Davis and White's win and everybody knows damn well it was stolen. Then some of these people show up and hashtag praise for David Dore. The buck stops with him - he presided over the Davis White overscoring and it could not have happened without his green light. It's not as if the figure skating is this bastion of integrity and trust off ice and Tessa and Scott are huge outliers. They're not outliers. What they do is exceptionally weird, but considering what figure skating is like, and considering that our entire world is now about nothing but narrative and marketing, they're not offending anybody's sense of decency. Certainly not inside the sport itself.oycanadahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14056686007756844095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-35820053903286386212014-08-17T10:04:55.125-07:002014-08-17T10:04:55.125-07:008:17
Jeremy has aided sham in the past. Once when...8:17<br />Jeremy has aided sham in the past. Once when Dube still had the open facebook, Jeremy randomly posted to her that it was time she came back to Michigan for a visit. I forget the exact context, but it was clear it was about visiting Scott.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-81885196020636209412014-08-17T09:51:37.663-07:002014-08-17T09:51:37.663-07:00Lol, she's not his real gf 6:13.
"But w...Lol, she's not his real gf 6:13. <br /><br />"But we have to remember in the name of sham Scott has done this many times. The opportunity for a big sham-splash is so much more important than any wedding sacredness. In these peoples' minds it's ok (shrug)."<br />I agree with this to some extent...Lord knows they've used weddings (and babies) in the past to perpetuate the sham. And, I know that Jeff has been there forever and is one of the closest people to them, so it's not like he's not aware/hasn't seen it all before. Having said that, I also don't think it's unreasonable to say that they could respect this event because he *is* so close (I know that sounds funny after using family, but their family is a different breed with this whole thing). <br />Shouldn't everyone there know the truth anyhow? What's the point in shamming here, unless it's being used as a photo op... If the people closest to them take pics of them with their "sig others" and post them randomly, then they must be legit, I guess.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-65421823174528769242014-08-17T08:17:43.056-07:002014-08-17T08:17:43.056-07:00Maybe he just thought it would be a cool angle to ...Maybe he just thought it would be a cool angle to show the party from, or maybe there was an agenda...knowing what I know about this group it wouldn't surprise me either way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-52117070586114138562014-08-17T08:14:11.186-07:002014-08-17T08:14:11.186-07:007:41, I believe 6:31 is referring to Kaitlyn W, wh...7:41, I believe 6:31 is referring to Kaitlyn W, who is standing behind Tessa. <br />Who is the guy to Tessa's right? Jo and T could be taking to Scott. Hard to tell from that resolution, but I could make a case for shoulders/posture (and can't see who is standing to that guy's right).<br />I don't necessarily think this is a comprehensive picture though... could be many people there that are not pictured.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-23235261108809661072014-08-17T07:41:05.254-07:002014-08-17T07:41:05.254-07:00Where do you see Kaitlyn on that pic? There's ...Where do you see Kaitlyn on that pic? There's Joannie and some guy talking to TessaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-30821839384250563242014-08-17T06:43:14.711-07:002014-08-17T06:43:14.711-07:006:31 You saw everyone who was there from that one...6:31 You saw everyone who was there from that one picture?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-83724162869901251222014-08-17T06:41:45.430-07:002014-08-17T06:41:45.430-07:00Also in terms of Jeremy Abbott's picture - wou...Also in terms of Jeremy Abbott's picture - wouldn't you think that he would actually post a picture of Jeff and his husband rather than just an overall shot saying I was here...so that's a little weird...in a previous picture on his instagram of a wedding there is an actual picture of the couple...so who knows...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-10481364922333010022014-08-17T06:31:34.577-07:002014-08-17T06:31:34.577-07:00So Jeremy Abbott decided to post a picture...obvio...So Jeremy Abbott decided to post a picture...obviously you can see the trio - Tessa, Joannie and Kaitlyn...do we know whether Andrew Poje, Scott Moir or if Joannie Rochette still seeing the same guy, ex-ice dancer Guillaume Gfeller were invited...who knows but hey Buttle had a shing-ding and and it was a happy occasion...it doesn't seem like Patrick Chan, Kurt Browning, Brian Orser were there either etc...my two cents...but who knows...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-22833318255664063022014-08-17T06:13:55.643-07:002014-08-17T06:13:55.643-07:00I'd be dissapointed to see KLawes' photo f...I'd be dissapointed to see KLawes' photo from the wedding. What does Scott feel looking in the eyes of his friends and fellow skaters who know he's lying but still present her as his bay?<br /><br />But if she's the real girlfriend then it's okAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-82819516621816416982014-08-17T06:04:31.940-07:002014-08-17T06:04:31.940-07:00I also think it's disgusting to take a fake SO...I also think it's disgusting to take a fake SO to a good friends' wedding. But we have to remember in the name of sham Scott has done this many times. The opportunity for a big sham-splash is so much more important than any wedding sacredness. In these peoples' minds it's ok (shrug).<br /><br />Jessica Dube is also a good friend of Jeff's. Maybe she had a chance to pass on some good sham tips to K Lawes. hahahaha. I would love a picture with JD and KL. That would make my day. If Tessa could be in the picture as well, that would be perfect. Scott's harem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-65398772793528350932014-08-17T05:49:36.530-07:002014-08-17T05:49:36.530-07:00I thought Jeff was already married??
Scott was spo...I thought Jeff was already married??<br />Scott was spotted in Toronto last night/this morning, so he was out there. I'll be very surprised if KLawes did not attend...it's just a little too coincidental. <br /><br />"Maybe Scott and Kaitlyn didn't attend at all and were just walking around TO hand in hand"<br />LOL! Posing for some pictures...do you think she actually had her OGM on or just in her pocket to whip out for the pic?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com