tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post1472517060619709067..comments2024-03-15T09:03:33.742-07:00Comments on Jessica Dube Loves Scott Moir: Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-77685198933761385452013-08-10T15:37:49.838-07:002013-08-10T15:37:49.838-07:00lol d/w fans on twitter are already pulling a shit...lol d/w fans on twitter are already pulling a shitfit on twitter about the scoresAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-51399771057583531382013-08-10T14:27:07.364-07:002013-08-10T14:27:07.364-07:00Every time I watch there's something else. At ...Every time I watch there's something else. At one point they're dancing in hold, break hold for separate pirhouettes done in the jazzy style of this program, btw, not just standard issue pirhouettes - and when the rotation finishes they take each other's hands without missing a beat and Tessa briefly glides in arobesque before they resume dance hold. It's stunning. Their blades never stop running. <br /><br />ocAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-71480176765947756222013-08-10T14:00:22.083-07:002013-08-10T14:00:22.083-07:00DW are more rootworthy because they're underdo...DW are more rootworthy because they're underdogs. I swear, these people actually like them because they are less talented, rather than in spite of it. It's the same thought process that gets overweight football players to win Dancing with the Stars, the "improvement" arc. Anyone can do it if they just put in the hours, including all the junior teams who are doing DW's twizzles and lifts.<br /><br />One DW stan actually wrote that they liked DW's "workmanlike" quality, as if it were a compliment!<br /><br />Definition of WORKMANLIKE<br />: characterized by the skill and efficiency typical of a good workman ; also : competent and skillful but not outstanding or original Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-40062566493457844662013-08-10T13:59:10.873-07:002013-08-10T13:59:10.873-07:00Oh and look, they changed the arm movements in the...Oh and look, they changed the arm movements in the twizzle sets, and the exit as well. Adding difficulty for the sake of difficulty. Silly V/M! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-13986716663107654642013-08-10T13:58:22.606-07:002013-08-10T13:58:22.606-07:00What a stunning sd. Choreographically dense. A tou...What a stunning sd. Choreographically dense. A tour de force of changes of hold while using skating skills (edges, run of blade and deep knees) to dance on the ice. A tour de force of partnering from Scott. Fantastic music cuts. Stunning highlights - the arrested momentum coming around the corner into the Finnstep. Wonderful flow and timing not just in the choreography but from Scott and Tessa. Scott was on fire in this performance - he looked as if he were having the time of his life. And of course, new styling for the twizzles. You can take similar twizzles (as was pointed out comparing W&P's twizzles in their 2012-2013 short and free dance) and execute them in the style of the music you're doing. Meaning, the rhythm, the arms, the carriage, the timing, whether or not you are doing inside edge followed by outside followed by inside in both programs. Davis and White don't do this and yet the judges count a flourish they may make before they even enter the twizzles as part of the twizzles, and no matter what type of flourish it is - whether the traffic collision/pile up mess they did right before they went into the Giselle twizzles, or the hop hop hop swing and HOP they did before the Notre Dame twizzles, they count as being in the style of that particular music, even though of course that traffic accident before the Giselle twizzles wasn't the slightest bit balletic, nor Giselle-esque, and the huge leaps and hops they did before Notre Dame expressed that program how?<br /><br />I can't wait til Meryl and Charlie's sd. It's the Finnstep. I want to run a hop tally. In rewatching the new VM short dance, I wanted to see if they used the skipping action in the Finnstep as an excuse to skip and hop elsewhere - they did not. They skate. I enjoyed though, that in one sequence SCOTT did a pirhouette. That was funny. <br /><br />If the judges don't make real distinctions between the two teams this season the ISU will have gone a long way to undoing ice dance's credibility as a sport - credibility that only barely existed half a decade as it is.oycanadahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14056686007756844095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-48866090995562948102013-08-10T13:49:41.164-07:002013-08-10T13:49:41.164-07:00The person employing every piece of internet rheto...The person employing every piece of internet rhetorical shade in the playbook is not pointing out why DW deserve to win OVER VM. Again and again it's only VM. The latest is pretending that the subject of how DW deserve to win over VM is BESIDE THE POINT. Which is their partisans all over.<br /><br />All they can do is assert it. "They deserve it. VM blah blah blah." But they can't say why Tessa's premature foot down out of the twizzles makes their performance overall less worthy than DW, nor can they say what it is that DW do on the ice that makes them deserve higher scores than VM.<br /><br />This is nothing but the exact same reasoning that thinks a singles skater who falls but is otherwise light years better than the runner up everywhere else should lose, even if the runner up did no combination jumps, had uncentered spins, or did easier elements across the board. Nope. The winner stumbled.<br /><br />All DW partisans want to talk about is how VM measure against their own personal best or potential personal best in a given competition, a personal best that is out of reach of possibly every single ice dancer ever born except for the two of them. They never want to talk about what it is, technically and with specificity, DW do that merits higher scores, element by element, and pcs overall, than VM.<br /><br />And then they say CoP is a joke. Why not try to unite those two opinions. CoP is a joke, but DW deserve to win. <br /><br />Oh wait, I get it. CoP is a joke because it pretends to measure what actually happened on the ice. Even though it's corrupt and how DW are scored per CoP is corrupt. Of course DW fans want to argue against CoP because CoP provides criteria we can look at and then look at the skating and measure the criteria against the actual skating. They don't even care that DW get wonky scores in CoP - they just dislike that, no matter what the judges are doing, fans can look at DW and then at CoP and know the fix is in. Therefore, CoP is a joke! Does it measure rooting value? Huh, huh?<br /><br />Rooting value - a subjective quality if ever there was one, and irrelevant in scoring an athletic event - is all DW fans have. They find DW more rootworthy.<br /><br />They want DW to deserve their wins for non-skating reasons.<br /><br />ocAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-77719404094506753302013-08-10T13:39:35.767-07:002013-08-10T13:39:35.767-07:00Not on the basis of skating they're not. This ...Not on the basis of skating they're not. This is something DW fans can only assert. They're unable to point out where in the actual skating DW deserve to win over VM.<br /><br />ocAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-83401267728727975122013-08-10T13:34:21.805-07:002013-08-10T13:34:21.805-07:0012:34
Yes, and this person's personal preferen...12:34<br />Yes, and this person's personal preferences are rooted in subjective things like "style" and "feeling" and "performance" instead of actual skating.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-81714677970278946582013-08-10T13:07:11.249-07:002013-08-10T13:07:11.249-07:00Think she just means it hasn't been officially...Think she just means it hasn't been officially posted by the ISU. It's based on what people heard at the rink. This is common for these summer competitions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-82087619916771553662013-08-10T13:04:22.695-07:002013-08-10T13:04:22.695-07:00not surprised this is coming from icenetwork what ...not surprised this is coming from icenetwork what does she mean by unofficial? https://twitter.com/LynnRutherford/status/366277252251525121Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-28146770775852192602013-08-10T13:04:05.316-07:002013-08-10T13:04:05.316-07:00That was a phenomenal performance for this early i...That was a phenomenal performance for this early in the season. Needs work, but I am in love with this program already!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-15631021886621404272013-08-10T12:35:00.000-07:002013-08-10T12:35:00.000-07:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-LgTWNzkII
New SD...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-LgTWNzkII<br /><br />New SD!!!! 76!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-21859652058896485892013-08-10T12:25:22.614-07:002013-08-10T12:25:22.614-07:00So not only can the poster not state WHY D/W are b...So not only can the poster not state WHY D/W are better than V/W, she gets her panties in a twist when she is called out on her on BS:<br /><br /><br />"Now you are just putting words in my mouth about Sochi. And completely missing the point. First you asked how they seemed off, when i told you, you completely dismissed that and then jumped to a completely different area.<br /><br />Part of making predictions and deciding on a favorite future performance relies on the observation of past performance. I obviously can't know how V/M or anyone else will do in Sochi. Nor did I ever claim to know that. I stated my preference based on past performance. However you chose to get butt hurt about that. Typical.<br /><br />Criteria laid out by COP? COP is a joke."<br /><br /><br />Ya, COP is a fucking joke indeed, because it has been manipulated to the benefit of D/W's crap skating. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-82363659000241883672013-08-10T10:38:25.109-07:002013-08-10T10:38:25.109-07:00Oh, but they don't "whip" the twizzl...Oh, but they don't "whip" the twizzles like DW! You have to be around a few years to master that technique. MAGICAL WIZARD HAIR. IT ADDS SO MUCH DRAMA AND EMOTION TO THE TWIZZLES. PCS WIN!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-50271230316946507182013-08-10T10:36:39.325-07:002013-08-10T10:36:39.325-07:00"There's no excuse for DW to EVER score i..."There's no excuse for DW to EVER score in the vicinity of VM at all, let alone beat them."<br /><br />Agreed, ice dance couples used to win with falls because their overall skating was better. I don't mind VM losing a segment by a nudge if they have major mistakes, just so they don't engender hatred and accusations of cheating. But then I guess they engendered that just by being good skaters, so fuck it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-76610001204088116112013-08-10T10:34:05.948-07:002013-08-10T10:34:05.948-07:00My theory is that people who care about quality ic...My theory is that people who care about quality ice dancing stopped caring when DW won in 2011.<br /><br />It used to be possible to have rational discussions comparing the technique of couples like Navka/K, Grushina/G, Delobel/S, Kokhlova/N, Domnina/S, Dubreiul/L, Denkova/S, Belbin/A, Chait/S, etc etc.<br /><br />You could actually point out recycled moves, poor footwork, cheated twizzles, rest stops, bland choreography, and the like without being labelled a HATAH!!!1111<br /><br />And when they won World titles, nobody said well the protocol said so and that's that. People actually talked. About the skating. Their fans even admitted their flaws, and discussions were had about what flaws were more important, how bad the flaws were, and how they fit into the program overall.<br /><br />DW fans do not want to have that conversation and we all know why.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-67200266646015923412013-08-10T10:30:32.471-07:002013-08-10T10:30:32.471-07:009:56 and 10:23
See? No other team can manage to ...9:56 and 10:23<br /><br />See? No other team can manage to do what DW do. <br />Bwahahahaha<br /><br />These are junior teams. Yeah, so technically superior, they should be scoring close to 200!! They're already better than VM!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-26706902433026014362013-08-10T10:28:49.956-07:002013-08-10T10:28:49.956-07:00Someone should go through the twizzles of every si...Someone should go through the twizzles of every single team at Worlds and see if anyone else does those twizzles besides DW and GP. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-31593115363942302082013-08-10T10:27:19.314-07:002013-08-10T10:27:19.314-07:00"There's no reasonable argument otherwise..."There's no reasonable argument otherwise..."<br /><br />No, there isn't. This is the most blatant icedance corruption I've ever seen, and I've seen plenty.<br /><br />There's no excuse for DW to EVER score in the vicinity of VM at all, let alone beat them. It's outrageous that no one is speaking out about this except the VM fans, and we're labeled mean and crazy for daring to point out the reality of what is happening ON THE ICE.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-51094104359067256472013-08-10T10:24:51.557-07:002013-08-10T10:24:51.557-07:00It's just sickening that THAT was the error th...It's just sickening that THAT was the error that cost them the world title. That error was nothing in the context of the whole program. They should have easily been able to have absorbed that mistake. Instead, it buried them. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-78093551938594705862013-08-10T10:23:56.948-07:002013-08-10T10:23:56.948-07:00and another couple used a rotational lift of d/wand another couple used a rotational lift of d/wAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-32729892516754243712013-08-10T10:13:18.023-07:002013-08-10T10:13:18.023-07:00"Tessa put her foot down a fraction before Sc..."Tessa put her foot down a fraction before Scott (which is standard operating procedure for Meryl and Charlie - having a step or gesture a half beat off the other while exiting, stopping, transitioning, etc., is standard operating procedure for them) - so Meryl and Charlie should get the nod."<br /><br />So fucking true. But point this out to a DW fan and it will be all "I guess VM fans just can't accept how DW have ~*~improved~*~ by now."<br /><br />VM Worlds SD twizzles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t46vJL8ABrs&feature=player_detailpage&t=135<br /><br />Despite the mistake from Tessa, the rest of the twizzle is in perfect unison, with equidistant space between them throughout, and great exit on an edge. <br /><br />Watching that is so depressing. I hadn't since Worlds. *That* is the mistake that lost the World title. JFC.<br /><br />That element could still be a high scoring one for VM, and combined with their other elements, especially their extraordinary YP sequence and the skating skills mark, should have been more than enough if not to win the SD, then to be within a mark of DW. And they should have won the FD by a country mile. There's no reasonable argument otherwise...<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-73346337907226631182013-08-10T09:56:23.733-07:002013-08-10T09:56:23.733-07:00Speaking of twizzles, check out the archived video...Speaking of twizzles, check out the archived videos from the Quebec competition. One of Marina's junior teams, Giordano and Weiss, used the exact same twizzle pass that Meryl and Charlie use.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-45249777793338722362013-08-10T09:42:40.625-07:002013-08-10T09:42:40.625-07:00There it is again - compare VM to VM and award DW ...There it is again - compare VM to VM and award DW the difference. VM had an imperfection (the twizzles at Worlds) in a set of twizzles that even with the glitch were more difficult as executed than Charlie and Meryl's twizzles. Even with the glitch they also showed incredible control, timing, and unison.<br /><br />This poster is demonstrating that VM are measured against themselves, not against Meryl Charlie. Tessa still has more of a sustained edge out of the twizzles than Meryl and Charlie do.<br /><br />The 4CC interruption. They interrupted their program at the 4CC's using the ISU's own rule. Which means that rule must be changed. Fascinating. I await the day the ISU notices that ice dancers who jump into their twizzles and then do only two are doing easier twizzles with an assist/crutch and they should not be level 4. Considering the worth of that element, that's a massive, enabled cheat.<br /><br />But the bottom line is, this poster is comparing VM to perfection, which is the point of a lot of this discussion. They're not comparing VM to DW. That comparison doesn't favor DW, but it's the logic DW partisans are trying to use, because it's free points to DW. Expect perfection from VM - perfection in a ferociously difficult free dance using pure dance moves as choreography and pure skating to execute the choreography. If something isn't perfect, don't measure the imperfection against something Meryl and Charlie did and see if it falls short or is still stronger/more difficult. Measure it against VM themselves, and award the differential to Meryl and Charlie who are doing the same program they've done since 2008-2009, with 2008-2009 elements. Why weren't they on top back then? They haven't changed. I guess back then they weren't being awarded any points VM left on the ice.<br /><br />The fact that this poster would cite the Worlds twizzles because Tessa put her foot down a fraction before Scott (which is standard operating procedure for Meryl and Charlie - having a step or gesture a half beat off the other while exiting, stopping, transitioning, etc.,) - Meryl and Charlie should get the nod. Don't compare it to how Meryl and Charlie twizzled or exited the twizzles. Don't allow Virtue and Moir any points for what they did accomplish in those Worlds twizzles, which is how CoP works. Nope. They were imperfect compared to their own best, and the difference between what they did and their personal best should be awarded to DW. That's how fans and apparently judges and certainly the commentariat think it should work. But only for DW. Not with any other two figure skating competitors nor in any other skating discipline.<br /><br />ocAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2583966972735299482.post-9068894496430958442013-08-10T09:13:51.103-07:002013-08-10T09:13:51.103-07:00ohyeahvirtuemoirgifs made a fabulous post about v/...ohyeahvirtuemoirgifs made a fabulous post about v/m's twizzles http://ohyeahvirtuemoirgifs.tumblr.com/post/57887246000/tessa-virtue-scott-moir-fd-twizzles<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com